Africa Wins Again...

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Africa Wins Again...

Postby Netpackrat » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:09 am

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Re: Africa Wins Again...

Postby Vonz90 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:49 am

"Unexpectedly" worse poverty and food shortages will follow.

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Re: Africa Wins Again...

Postby Frankingun » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:03 am

But the ANC said there will be no food supply problems...
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Re: Africa Wins Again...

Postby Jered » Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:06 am

...I had to do this.

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Postby Precision » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:08 pm

Rhodesia part (what is it now) 5?

I guess if you are 70 and think you can hold it together for another 20 years, have no soul, and really want to completely screw those you leave behind. Or your RACISM is that strong...
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Re: Africa Wins Again...

Postby Vonz90 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:01 pm

Just for reference, I do not actually think that some kind of land redistribution would not be the worst thing in the world if done right. The first part of doing it right is making sure you pay the people for what you take (it does not have to be all at once), the second part is you make sure that people who get it are actual farmers who can do something with it. The overall record was not great, but it actually has been done successfully here and there at times.

When 80-90% of my great grandfather's estate was excoriated, the part that was taken was given to some party apparatchiks, who had it clear cut all at once (it was mostly a timber producing land) and then abandoned it. Meanwhile, the peasants who worked for my family were actually worse off most of them lost their jobs because he could not afford to hire as many of them. A few years later they took the rest of it too and all of the peasants were out on their ears. This unfortunately is typical and probably about the way this will work out.

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Postby FelixEstrella » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:14 pm

"It was amended but supported by the ruling African National Congress and new president Cyril Ramaphosa, who made land expropriation a key pillar of his policy platform after taking over from ousted PM Jacob Zuma earlier this month."

When I asked my buddies in South Africa, the response was was "Anyone would be better than Zuma".

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Postby g-man » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:18 pm

I had to explain the whole "Rhodesia went this way, and it didn't work out too well" bit of history when I read the article highlights to my wife last night. She reminded me of the fact that Cape Town is nearly out of water, which all the mass media are blaming on 'climate change' and anyone with any sense rightly lays at the feet of the government's inability to plan beyond the end of their noses.


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Let. Africa. Sink.
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Postby FelixEstrella » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:42 pm

g-man wrote:The man said it, and it bears repeating:
Let. Africa. Sink.


I thought "the man" said T.I.A. ? ;-)
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Re: Africa Wins Again...

Postby Weetabix » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:54 pm

Mr Malema ... told supporters he was “not calling for the slaughter of white people‚ at least for now”.

:shock:

There's no way any of this can end well.
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Re: Africa Wins Again...

Postby Langenator » Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:48 am

I understand that farmers are deeply attached to their land, which in many cases their families have worked for many generations.

But if I was a white farmer in SA, I would have sold my land as soon as Mandela died (Mandela was pretty much the only thing holding this back for a couple decades) and emigrated to the U.S.
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Postby FelixEstrella » Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:49 am

Langenator wrote:Mandela was pretty much the only thing holding this back for a couple decades


^^^^ That!
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Postby HTRN » Fri Mar 02, 2018 6:05 am

Weetabix wrote:
Mr Malema ... told supporters he was “not calling for the slaughter of white people‚ at least for now”.

:shock:

There's no way any of this can end well.

Of course hes not calling for it, the nudge nudge, wink, wink thing theyve got going now doesn't need it.
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Re: Africa Wins Again...

Postby Vonz90 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:24 pm

Langenator wrote:I understand that farmers are deeply attached to their land, which in many cases their families have worked for many generations.

But if I was a white farmer in SA, I would have sold my land as soon as Mandela died decades ago (Mandela was pretty much the only thing holding this back for a couple decades) and emigrated to the U.S.


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Postby D5CAV » Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:35 am

Langenator wrote:I understand that farmers are deeply attached to their land, which in many cases their families have worked for many generations.

But if I was a white farmer in SA, I would have sold my land as soon as Mandela died (Mandela was pretty much the only thing holding this back for a couple decades) and emigrated to the U.S.

Only problem is that most of the farmers in RSA are the wrong ethnicity to get an immigrant visa for the US. Now, if they change their name to something that sounds Hispanic, like "Nikolas de Jesus Cruz" (even if they don't look remotely Hispanic), learn Spanish, and take a vacation in Mexico ...

Sarc off: I hunt in Africa. I know some of these farmers and PHs. I've asked them the same thing. No one will take them, not Australia, not the UK, not the US, not the Netherlands. If you are a 50 year-old farmer in South Africa and don't have 20 years experience in C++ or JAVA programming, you are f#####d. May as well just laager-up with your neighbors and take a few of the kaffirs with you.
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Re: Africa Wins Again...

Postby FelixEstrella » Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:40 am

^^^^^ This. I tried to sponsor my sister and her husband to come here. Yes, unfortunately they're the wrong ethnicity. After many go arounds of "Oh you're still waiting? Send us <this document!" "We've already sent you <this document>" "Well send it again" they gave up. The irony is that my sister is an experienced COBOL programmer (this was when the Y2K-bug was a big deal).
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Re: Africa Wins Again...

Postby HTRN » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:30 am

D5CAV wrote:Only problem is that most of the farmers in RSA are the wrong ethnicity to get an immigrant visa for the US.

Its worse than that - RSA does currency controls, and getting any significant amount of money is anywhere from difficult to impossible. Many that can get out are turning to various crypto currencies to bypass these laws.

Add in the fact that you cant sell your farm as nobody wants to buy it, because, tada! The government may be siezing it anyway.

In short, they're screwed. :|
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Re: Africa Wins Again...

Postby Weetabix » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:03 pm

How bad does it have to be for them to claim refugee status?
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Re: Africa Wins Again...

Postby Termite » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:13 pm

I'm glad de Klerk dismantled South Africa's nuclear weapons and program. The thought of the ANC with nukes is spooky.
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Re: Africa Wins Again...

Postby randy » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:45 pm

Termite wrote:I'm glad de Klerk dismantled South Africa's nuclear weapons and program. The thought of the ANC with nukes is spooky.


I'm thinking that de Klerk and his fellows were thinking the same thing, hence the (relatively) sudden divestiture. ;)
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Re: Africa Wins Again...

Postby HTRN » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:05 pm

Weetabix wrote:How bad does it have to be for them to claim refugee status?

They can claim refugee status now. Its just that it will be rejected and theyll be shipped back. No first world nation wants them, no matter how bad it gets. Honestly, theyre best bet might be one of the small Eastern European countries, or even Russia, who is looking for farmers since they banned food from the EU..
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