Improvised or homemade .22 suppressors

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Highspeed wrote:A lot of stuff they describe either won't work at all in the real world, won't work reliably or creates a weapon which is horribly unsafe to the user and anyone around him.
A friend of mine once theorized that some of these books (ones published in late 60's and 70's) were actually disinformation by the FBI or some other government agency to get wanna-be radicals to take themselves out as they tried to implement some of these designs.

Interesting theory, but I think "never attribute to conspiracy that which can be explained by stupidity" applies.
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randy wrote: A friend of mine once theorized that some of these books (ones published in late 60's and 70's) were actually disinformation by the FBI or some other government agency to get wanna-be radicals to take themselves out as they tried to implement some of these designs.

Interesting theory, but I think "never attribute to conspiracy that which can be explained by stupidity" applies.
Crossed my mind as well, but I reached the same conclusion as you.
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Even the hitman idiot only really got into trouble, because he said he expected people would follow his instructions to kill people - he violated the "never talk" rule when dealing w. the state.
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People do this kind of stuff for academic reasons, to figure out what's involved, the processes, the physical limitations or various items, the amount of time and skill involved, etc.

That's how they get away with being able to have academic discussions about building nuclear bombs. They're not encouraging anyone to do anything illegal, they're having spirited academic discussions (like: "no, you dumbass, if you do that, you'll blow yourself up and a hundred blocks around you will become a smoking crater!"). :lol:

I mean, look at some of the stuff they show in the movies - ideas, techniques, etc. Think about the movie "Heat" and the Hollywood shootout. Think about the Clancy book, Debt of Honor, and the subsequent flying of airliners into the towers on 9/11. That book came out in 1994, and when I saw the towers burning on 9/11, I IMMEDIATELY thought of that book (I read it a couple of years before).

You can't stop people from having ideas, and sometimes using other people's ideas to do something illegal, immoral, or deadly with them. But we CERTAINLY don't want to be the source of anyone doing something like that.

I have no idea how Clancy feels about his book and 9/11 - and of course they could have thought of the airliner thing completely separately, or how Michael Mann feels about the Hollywood shootout. Sure he didn't put the guns in their hands or told them to do it and he's not responsible for their actions, but IIRC, they got the idea for that bank job from the movie.

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Highspeed wrote:
randy wrote: A friend of mine once theorized that some of these books (ones published in late 60's and 70's) were actually disinformation by the FBI or some other government agency to get wanna-be radicals to take themselves out as they tried to implement some of these designs.

Interesting theory, but I think "never attribute to conspiracy that which can be explained by stupidity" applies.
Crossed my mind as well, but I reached the same conclusion as you.
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CByrneIV wrote:
SeekHer wrote:Chris, then if I told him to check Paladin Press or companies like that is that a criminal act?

I have seen many times various book companies having books on Guerrilla Gunsmithing--you know the kind where you can convert a 10/22 or an AR-7 to full auto or build a silencer--they all have in big type "Available for research purposes only" even though the books or now DVDs show you step by step how to construct it. How do the printer, the distributor, the retailer and the buyer not get arrested?
Unsolicited publiciations that are published and made generally available are generally protected under the first amendment; unless they include a specific incitement to an illegal act.

So saying "go to paladin press" or even "the information you are looking for may be in this book" are just fine; so long as you don't go into much specific detail.
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SeekHer - great list. A few of the guerilla books aren't good though.

The H and K full auto book describes a conversion which is inherently unsafe. I'll not describe why though.
The 10\22 conversion seems sensible but it doesn't work properly in practise. Again I don't think it would be within forum rules to explain myself.
The Homemade Guns and Ammo book contains both stuff which won't work properly and stuff which is dangerous.
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I read that in Tom Clancy's book, The Sum of all Fears, where-in Islamic terrorists acquire a nuke, that he purposely made the process of turning it into a portable weapon more complicated than it really is just to keep certain people from daydreaming about doing it.
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Flintlock Tom wrote:I read that in Tom Clancy's book, The Sum of all Fears, where-in Islamic terrorists acquire a nuke, that he purposely made the process of turning it into a portable weapon more complicated than it really is just to keep certain people from daydreaming about doing it.
the hardest part about making a nuke is getting the radioactive material... the electronics involved can be done by any first year electrical engineering student so long as they have accurate plans. the explosives required to set off the chain reaction are hard to get but not impossible.
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Supposedly the latest nukes have their PAL's linked to anti intrusion devices which will render the warhead inert ( well, kind of :D ) if they fall into the wrong hands. The information on how this is achieved isn't available in open literature, but common sense suggests that attempts to bypass the PAL will bugger up the pit in some way, possibly by a single point detonation ( you wouldn't want to be anywhere near a single point detonation, but there isn't any significant yield )
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