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Renters: secure gun storage

Postby blackeagle603 » Wed Oct 21, 2015 1:44 am

Long time since this has been discussed here.

Taking into account cost, portability and security what are the favorite solutions for apt dwellers firearm storage.

The S&H is ready to enter polite society again -- coming up on 2 years since EAS from the Corps. He is leaving the garage, getting an apt and getting married this December. There's at 3 long guns going with him, one of them an AR, that are going to need secure storage. Come wedding day he gets first pic of any of the handguns in the safe too.
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Re: Renters: secure gun storage

Postby randy » Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:01 am

When on active duty, I used a couple of methods.

Bike cable through trigger guards and locked to the closet pole in the back of a closet. Bolts pulled and stored in a lock box in another room. Handgun also in lock boxes in a (hopefully) non-obvious place. Strategy was to delay a quick smash and grab as much as possible, make it awkward to move them, especially on the run, and minimize the chances of them getting an operational weapon.

When my roommate and I were both deployed for extended periods I stashed them with a friend from my unit.

Later, as the collection grew, got a Homak gun locker. Usually found a place in a closed I could screw through back into the studs, patched and camouflaged the holes when I moved out. The locker was lightweight enough to be shipped with household goods easily. Not as secure as a safe, but no issues with moving, or weight loading on floors, and again the plan was in delaying and making them move on to easier targets.

Luckily, never had a break-in so the strategy was never tested.

(I found out years later, the reason I probably never had a break-in in my first apartment in San Antonio. Coming home from the range with roommate, we were met by young couple next door that had just left and come back to get something she forgot and found their door kicked in. We locked and loaded, Roommate with BHP covering the front and me with a Mini-14 covering rear from our back porch, noticed their back door was open as well. Couple called the cops from our phone, we hid the hardware when they arrived and the apartment was cleared.

When my roommate checked out a few months after I PCSd, the staff told him that there had been a rash of break ins in that part of the complex at the time, but they stopped that day. Apparently somebody didn't care for our immediate action drill. :twisted: A side benefit, the staff steered women living on their own to our section of the complex as they felt they would be safer there! :mrgreen: )
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Re: Renters: secure gun storage

Postby Frankingun » Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:33 am

I take it he's going to need something not too expensive, but yet portable:

Stack On Cabinet
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Postby BDK » Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:54 am

One of the larger pelican suitcases, with some padlocks, and a cable lock attaching it to something?

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Postby Yogimus » Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:29 am

Frankingun wrote:I take it he's going to need something not too expensive, but yet portable:

Stack On Cabinet



I myself use a stack on cabinet. Make sure you bolt it to floor or the wall. The lock on the cabinet can be defeated VERY quickly by anyone that knows how.

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Postby Greg » Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:20 am

Yogimus wrote:
Frankingun wrote:I take it he's going to need something not too expensive, but yet portable:

Stack On Cabinet



I myself use a stack on cabinet. Make sure you bolt it to floor or the wall. The lock on the cabinet can be defeated VERY quickly by anyone that knows how.


To avoid sudden 2 story indoor falls in NJ I had a stack on cabinet as well, hidden in the back of a closet.

Sort of in the market for something better, but it's what I still have.

Definitely bolt it to something if you can. And/or hide it. It's basically very nearly as secure as a gym locker, but it beats nothing.
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Re: Renters: secure gun storage

Postby Denis » Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:49 am

Before I got serious about safes, I had a BURG-WÄCHTER gun cabinet.

http://www.burg.biz/html/default/fnin-5chl9r.en.html

At least around here, the Ranger A 5 E model is available in home improvement stores, doesn't cost a fortune (about 200 bucks new), and offers a reasonable compromise between security, size, weight, portability and cost. It's small enough to fit in the back of any closet, light enough to be moved on a regular sack dolly by one man, but if properly secured to a hard point (preferably pushed into a corner, then fixed through the back wall and the floor), will resist opportunistic smash & grab thieves. I wouldn't fancy its chances against an angle grinder, fire axe or a long crowbar, but then we're already into the realm of organised breaking and entering...

For a bit of extra peace of mind - one of these PIR GSM modules can be mounted inside the cabinet, and programmed to text a cell phone number when the cabinet is opened:

http://www.dx.com/p/pir-mp-alert-infrar ... ite-180437

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Postby Aesop » Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:54 am

1) Turner's has a Stack-On model in their Fall Flyer that meets CA DOJ criteria for a safe, obviating the purchase of a gun lock with every handgun. $140.
2) It gets bolted to the back wall studs and floor of a suitable closet.
3) The highly motivated can also cut, glue, and paint drywall over the outside, and with some artful use of plumbing components from Homeless Depot, make the thing look like a conduit or plumbing box, rather than a hidden gun locker, which can open with a quick tug on the right panel.
4) The weapons inside get cable locked to the sheet metal carcass.
5) Anything needing to be handier fits into a locking handgun-sized box, which can be simply camouflaged inside a cut-down banker's box under the bed, or bolted to a nightstand so it doesn't walk away either.
6) If closet space is tight, for convenience and storage size, it's hard to beat mounting the same large gun locker inside the removed carcass of a former fold-out sofa bed, bolted to the framework, and covering it with a sheet of 3/4" plywood with matching upholstery fabric on the side facing up, under the seat cushion(s).

At that point the weapons are safe, difficult to steal, readily accessible for their necessary purpose, but pretty nigh untouchable by little hands.
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Postby g-man » Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:50 am

Another +1 on the Stack-On gun locker here. Based on the number of guns you note that he'll initially have, he should have plenty of room to add ammunition to the locker for added gravity-assisted anti-thievery. Bolted down is good, bolted down and HEAVY is at least marginally better.
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Postby blackeagle603 » Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:19 pm

Yeah, cost and portability is the concern. Good inputs to consider. Not sure how many moves they'll be making with school. Hopes to get into local state school but backup plan is Long Beach or Fullerton (both have decent Mech Eng programs thanks to the historical association with SoCal aerospace industry).

Obscure it, and additional security within a locked storage like a Stackon. I wonder if a Gun-Cuff could be used inside a Stack-on cabinet, hmm. If I can find a light unit like Denis pointed out that might be a good added wedding gift from the old man.
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Postby Weetabix » Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:52 pm

Yogimus wrote:
Frankingun wrote:I take it he's going to need something not too expensive, but yet portable:

Stack On Cabinet

I myself use a stack on cabinet. Make sure you bolt it to floor or the wall. The lock on the cabinet can be defeated VERY quickly by anyone that knows how.

I have some Stack On cabinets, too. Any thoughts on hardening the lock? Maybe an aftermarket cylinder or something?

The less-easy-to-spot one isn't bolted down, but it just has old Mosins in it. Must fix that.
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Re: Renters: secure gun storage

Postby Steamforger » Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:48 pm

I have a Liberty 12 gun Centurion. It fits into most closets easily (I'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere) and will deter for a good bit. It also falls into gravity assissted deterrence, coming in at something like 330 lbs. and no decent way to handle it when moving. Takes two grown men to move, three when stairs are involved. Has bolt holes for securing to both wall and floor. It has a 30 minute firerating. I think I paid $350 a couple of years ago.

I understand you could also get a Knackk 4830 with the Watchman IV locking system, stick an Abloy pad lock in there, bolt or chain it down and have an excellent theft deterrent that looks like not a gun safe. No fire rating though.

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Postby blackeagle603 » Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:35 pm

Hmmm, BURG-WÄCHTER dealer locator shows one up in Murrieta. That's convenient drive by on runs up to see family.
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Postby Jistuason » Fri Oct 23, 2015 4:03 am

Another thing to keep in mind before purchasing your safe is the location that gun will be stored in. From small gun safes that can be mounted under a desk, to large versions that require plenty of room, it’s important to plan on where to keep your safe beforehand. Perhaps you want to keep the safe near your bedside for protection at night, in this case, a smaller safe is probably best for you.


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Re: Renters: secure gun storage

Postby JAG2955 » Fri Oct 23, 2015 4:34 am

I'll buck the trend and say that I wouldn't spend any money on a Stack On "safe."

For the AR, get a Tufloc storage rack and lag bolt it to a stud or a large piece of solid furniture. Failing that, build something out of plywood the that looks like furniture but has a hidden compartment for a gun. I build a simple small bookshelf/cabinet that has a false top. It can fit a few pistols. I also built a floating shelf that locks with a magnetic lock and holds a Glock 17 and a 33rd mag.

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Postby Yogimus » Fri Oct 23, 2015 5:54 am

Anyone know of a toolbox that allows for customized shelf sizes? (tool cabinet or whatever... with pull out drawers)

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Postby HTRN » Fri Oct 23, 2015 8:15 pm

Yogimus wrote:Anyone know of a toolbox that allows for customized shelf sizes? (tool cabinet or whatever... with pull out drawers)


The closest thing to a "toolbox" that I can think of is the likes of Lista, Lyon, Vidmar, etc..

A safe would be cheaper.
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Postby Lokidude » Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:05 am

I've got a couple Stack Ons, as well. They're mostly to keep curious younglings out, now that younglings come visit occasionally. They're lagged to my wall, so they should slow down most folks, plus all my reloading bullets sit atop them, because gravity and a flat space. I actually need something larger, as I've outgrown the pair I have.
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Postby Greg » Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:48 am

Lokidude wrote:I've got a couple Stack Ons, as well. They're mostly to keep curious younglings out, now that younglings come visit occasionally. They're lagged to my wall, so they should slow down most folks, plus all my reloading bullets sit atop them, because gravity and a flat space. I actually need something larger, as I've outgrown the pair I have.


As limited as they are, they're good for that. They're also good for CYA in certain jurisdictions, both legal and financial, should you have the bad luck of encountering a determined thief.
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Postby blackeagle603 » Sat Oct 24, 2015 1:43 am

Thinking about ways to boost the security of a Stack-On type box relatively cheap and easy.

Wondering if there's something from how we used to bolt angle iron to our roll away tool chests sides. We'd fab simple fittings or notches to drop cross bars or pipes through and then padlock those cross piece.
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Postby Precision » Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:03 pm

http://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/search/gun%20safe

Lots of choices here. Lots of price points. then there is always craigslist.
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