The Gun Counter

John_in_Longview wrote:The first rule was not to tell anyone who doesn't visit the CMP website about the 1911 sales.....

Mike OTDP wrote:Hmph. Personally, I think CMP is bleeding a lot of goodwill on the 1911s. The one-per-year is OK. The random draw is fine. Demanding a complete new paperwork package is a PITA. But demanding an 01 FFL for transfer is very questionable, most FFLs these days won't give you a hard copy. And it's a serious poke in the eye to C&R holders.

D5CAV wrote:Thanks!

US Army pistols are great. I transitioned from 1911A1 to M9. I never saw the point of the M9. The 1911A1 worked fine.

Mike OTDP wrote:Hmph. Personally, I think CMP is bleeding a lot of goodwill on the 1911s. The one-per-year is OK. The random draw is fine. Demanding a complete new paperwork package is a PITA. But demanding an 01 FFL for transfer is very questionable, most FFLs these days won't give you a hard copy. And it's a serious poke in the eye to C&R holders.

For a shooter, I'd either buy new or look at a Sistema Colt.

Jered wrote:

Mike OTDP wrote:Hmph. Personally, I think CMP is bleeding a lot of goodwill on the 1911s. The one-per-year is OK. The random draw is fine. Demanding a complete new paperwork package is a PITA. But demanding an 01 FFL for transfer is very questionable, most FFLs these days won't give you a hard copy. And it's a serious poke in the eye to C&R holders.

For a shooter, I'd either buy new or look at a Sistema Colt.

The not shipping to a C&R holder turned me off of them.

As a C&R holder, I can buy a machine gun from someone, but I can't buy a 1911 from someone. WTF ghost rider?

Reasons for the two NICS checks:

First Reason: The first NICS check makes sure the customer can legally possess the 1911 type pistol prior to shipping it to the local 01, or 02, or 07 FFL dealer. The CMP, Congress, and the United States Army do not want the 1911 to have to be shipped back to CMP 1911 if the purchaser is not legal to possess. The more in transit the pistol is, the more likely it could be lost or stolen. The second NICS check is performed by the local 01, or 02, or 07 FFL in accordance with their standard transfer procedures.

Second Reason: CMP’s enabling legislation mandated by Congress specifies that the purchaser “successfully pass a thorough and complete background check”, i.e. NICS. CMP cannot turn any firearm over to the purchaser until it receives a “proceed” from NICS, the local FFL can turn the pistol over after 72 business hours have elapsed if they have not heard back from NICS. Turning the pistol over after 72 hours and not getting a “proceed” does not satisfy CMP’s enabling legislation mandated by Congress. This leaves CMP no choice but to have a NICS check done and get a “proceed” to satisfy its enabling legislation, before shipping to the local 01, or 02, or 07 FFL.


Note: 1911 type pistols purchased from CMP cannot be transferred to 03 FFL (curio and relic) license. BATF and the United States Army prefer the second background check be performed by an FFL dealer. Each customer purchasing a 1911 type pistol from CMP will be subjected to two NICS background checks, one the information provided by CMP to NICS and the second the information will be provided to NICS by the FFL dealer in which the pistol is shipped.

Jered wrote:Doesn't make it any less illogical.
A C&R holder can buy any other handgun that's over 50 years old and some that aren't.