Been thinking about an SBR

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So what should I start saving money for in the SBR world

10-12" 300 Blackout
4
24%
10" 10 mm because TEN MM
2
12%
10" 9mm cause bullets are CHEAP
1
6%
We found the secret to magic brownies, its WEED, just eat some of that and forget the SBR
5
29%
<16" for 7.62x25
2
12%
10" 45 Super
0
No votes
10" 460 Rowland
0
No votes
.223 / 556 like Satan demands all AR's be set up
3
18%
 
Total votes: 17

Precision
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Been thinking about an SBR

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I have an AR in 45ACP that really a 12" barrel but has a 4.25" flash hider welded to the barrel. I am thinking about going SBR on that cause why not. Just get the flash hider removed and the 12" barrel threaded for a can and shazam way cooler gun.

But as things tend to, this got me thinking of other cool things to have for short barrel fun on an AR platform. Alternative suggestions and why are surely appreciated.
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Unfortunately, in my fuc*ed-up state, I couldn't get a suppressor if I tried. So, I beg of all of you out in the FREE USA, get as many suppressors as you can, along with as many common sporting arms (AR-style), that you can. I can't wait until Diane Forshiitehead is no longer one of my federal senators, and I sincerely hope Barbara Shitturd, is right behind her - and leave the state in adult representation hands (we could use a LOT more Duncan Hunters, including replacing BOTH of our senators to reverse the damage those two socialists have wreaked upon the nation). Then there's the issue of getting rid of Nancy Piglosi........... GRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!! What a bitch!!!!

I didn't like the choices in the poll, so I selected Brownies. To each their own.
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I voted for the 300 Blackout. I have had my 10" 300 SBR for about a year and it's some of the most fun I have had shooting, BUT I have a can for it. You will want a can... One of my favorite things to do is hang up a steel plate and sit there going "thump.... Ping!" until I run out of ammo. I could literally do that for hours if I wanted to spend that much on ammo.

Nice thing about the 300 is it approximates the 7.62x39 plus adds decent subsonic capability, so you could fight with it if you had to, or kill deer/hogs to eat. Couple ways to go as far as cans... A lot of pistol cans are rated for 300 Blackout subsonic, although supers will blow most of them out (Liberty makes some pistol cans rated for 300 supers). So you could shoot both your SBR and your pistol with just the one can. I went with a conventional .30 caliber rifle can with mine; this gives me the ability to run supers and also to use the can on several different rifles. Of course, I also have a .45 caliber pistol can in jail right now, which I'll be able to run on any of my pistol caliber SBRs plus the blackout if I wanted to, though I don't anticipate using it on the 300.
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Netpackrat wrote:I voted for the 300 Blackout. I have had my 10" 300 SBR for about a year and it's some of the most fun I have had shooting, BUT I have a can for it. You will want a can... One of my favorite things to do is hang up a steel plate and sit there going "thump.... Ping!" until I run out of ammo. I could literally do that for hours if I wanted to spend that much on ammo.

Nice thing about the 300 is it approximates the 7.62x39 plus adds decent subsonic capability, so you could fight with it if you had to, or kill deer/hogs to eat. Couple ways to go as far as cans... A lot of pistol cans are rated for 300 Blackout subsonic, although supers will blow most of them out (Liberty makes some pistol cans rated for 300 supers). So you could shoot both your SBR and your pistol with just the one can. I went with a conventional .30 caliber rifle can with mine; this gives me the ability to run supers and also to use the can on several different rifles. Of course, I also have a .45 caliber pistol can in jail right now, which I'll be able to run on any of my pistol caliber SBRs plus the blackout if I wanted to, though I don't anticipate using it on the 300.
I have an Omega which is rated for 300 Win mag, so the can part won't be an issue. I also have a dedicated 5.56 can in Jail, but it should be out in Dec?

So glad to hear you are happy with your 300 BLO. That is positive feedback. I like the concept and most people seem to like it in practice.
I am leaning towards 300 BLO, but there is something pretty damn awesome about a powerful pistol round in a rifle. Although I have the money, I shouldn't spend it on funsies until my life settles out a little bit. I am mainly using this as a mental distraction now to keep some of my cycles on good, fun things.

I will likely be buying a .45 pistol can for the AR-45 I have now. Or if things work out, I may be using a can of my own design. I have an appointment this week with a suppressor company who is interested in licensing some of my designs. We will see.
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I'm a big fan of .300blk, and I've used this link to disprove the "it's a pistol round" argument with lots of folks. Less drop than a M855 past 400yds, and more retained velocity. Yeah, the Barnes TTSX is one of the most expensive .300blk rounds out there, but against 2 or 4 legged critters, it's probably the best. Suppresses much better than 5.56, even if it's not a subsonic variety I have a .300blk SBR, but due to ammo cost, it doesn't get used a whole lot.

If I were starting my NFA collection over again, I would be picking up a Silencerco Hybrid as my second can, after a .22. Pistol or rifle capable, though it's a heavy can for a pistol. But it would be great for .300blk.

Also, strongly consider a pistol brace on a pistol receiver. The new Maxim Defense brace Link looks very promising, albeit expensive. But then you get all of the advantages of a pistol AR-15, like interstate transport, CCW it, no tax, vehicle carry, etc, depending on your state's laws.

I really do like the new Glock magazine ARish lowers, but I'd rather have a DI or piston gun, which adds cost very quickly. I may do a MPX pistol with the above brace at some point in time in the future. Right now, my favorite gun is my SBR'd Sig MCX, 11.5" in 5.56.

Actually, that may be a good SBR candidate for you, though you could always just buy the upper adapter, or toss a <16" MCX upper on an AR pistol with the adapter kit. I just had mine out at the range earlier this week, and ran it pretty hard. No issues, and stupidly easy to clean at the end, even though I shot about 200 rounds suppressed.
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I voted for the magic brownies. Your secret ingredient is safe with me.
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Jered wrote:I voted for the magic brownies. Your secret ingredient is safe with me.
Unless you try to cross his border with it. Then you might have a problem, or maybe it really will be safe with him then. :lol:
Precision wrote:I have an Omega which is rated for 300 Win mag, so the can part won't be an issue. I also have a dedicated 5.56 can in Jail, but it should be out in Dec?
Oh, in that case, you are golden.
So glad to hear you are happy with your 300 BLO. That is positive feedback. I like the concept and most people seem to like it in practice.
I am leaning towards 300 BLO, but there is something pretty damn awesome about a powerful pistol round in a rifle.
Well, I should probably give you the negatives, as well. It took me a bit to get it running right, and the fix ended up being a hokey o-ring under the extractor. But I haven't had the extraction problem since installing that. Also, the AR design is still fundamentally a POS and it shits where it eats, which is exacerbated when shooting with a can, and especially subsonic ammo. I have to clean it every few hundred rounds to keep it working, and I often wind up having to dump a bunch of CLP into the BCG at the range to get it working again. It's a lot of fun to shoot but otherwise I hate it because of the fact that it has to be kept cleaned and oiled to within an inch of its life, and because it is an AR in general. Still worth it and I am probably going to build another blackout upper at some point to go with the other lower I SBRed, once the upper receiver I want comes back into stock.
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Netpackrat wrote:
Jered wrote:I voted for the magic brownies. Your secret ingredient is safe with me.
Unless you try to cross his border with it. Then you might have a problem, or maybe it really will be safe with him then. :lol:
:lol:

Then it will be safe in a GSA approved safe.
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Precision wrote:I have an AR in 45ACP
DO or blowback? Because if it's direct impingement, its one short step to 460 rowland. Is the lower one of those dedicated greasegun/glock mag lowers, because if it is, it's gonna limit the choice you have.
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+1 to what Jag said. With the pistol braces like the Maxim PDW brace stock (of which I want one as well), I just don't see a reason not to build a pistol with one and...*ahem*...not shoulder it. You save the $200 SBR tax and you avoid the cross-state lines hassle. My next build is going to be a 5.56 PDW lightweight SHTF gun for my wife using that stock.

Now, the downside is that yes, the ATF could change their mind. At this point however, I think they are stuck with their ruling. A majority of people on the range don't know it's "illegal" to shoulder, and the ones that do probably are going to wink and nod.

There is a very similar sliding brace available for the Sig MPX now as well, if you don't want the side folding stock version. Now if the gun wasn't so darn expensive...

I have a 16" 300 BLK that I built and posted pictures of. I wanted the extra length for when I choose to shoot supersonic, which won't be often, but would be nice if the tactical situation dictates going from stealth to loud.

The advantage of an SBR (or pistol) is weight, maneuverability, and storage. Perfect for a trunk gun. Unless it is in the same caliber and takes the same mags as your carry gun, I think a rifle caliber is best. Don't get me wrong, for quite some time I was jonsing for one of the tacticool .45 DeLisle carbine Enfield conversions with integrated suppressor. But with the semi-auto and ballistic advantages of a 300 BLK, and with how darn quiet mine is, a PCC loses it's perceived advantages, unless it's in select fire. But even then, I'm thinking of buying the Kel Tec Sub2000 V2 that takes Glock 23 mags because....options.
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