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Desert Sports Car - Ford's New Raptor Pickup

Postby 308Mike » Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:49 pm

Their new pickup is a wide sucker:

Desert sports car
Ford's Raptor pickup can hold its own on ragged trails

By Mark Maynard
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Raptor is eight inches wider at the front than a standard F-150 and has a 7-inch wider track, with a unique, sheet-molded plastic front end from the windshield pillars forward. The front bumper is hydroformed steel with 4.5mm thick skid plates protecting vital parts. From the cab rearward is basically an F-150 FX4, with a full line of convenience and comfort features. -

2:00 a.m. September 12, 2009

Twenty-two miles in 25 minutes isn't a commute time worth bragging about -- but it's a brisk clip behind the wheel of a Ford Raptor on the San Felipe Wash of the Ocotillo Wells State Vehicular Recreation Area.

Ford was at the off-road area recently for the media debut of its V-8 powered Raptor SVT, a modified F-150 pickup. This truck has no fear of going a mile a minute -- and much faster -- over the ruts and rocks of the desert. I had some high-speed off-road runs, climbing exercises and nearly 150 miles on road in this specialty truck, whose highlight is a sophisticated, new shock absorber system by Fox Racing Shox of San Diego.

Driving 60 and 65 miles an hour on such rocky, ragged trails is unsafe and largely impossible in a public-access area, but Ford held the event on a closed course with numerous vehicle spotters and helicopter support. There were no accidents, injuries or even a blown tire in four waves of North American auto writers.

Thousands of San Diegans know the runs of Ocotillo Wells as well as their neighborhood streets. And now, so does Ford's Special Vehicle Team, which has been hiding out in our desert for the past three years developing Raptor into an ultimate prerunner. The team did much of its engineering work and trail driving at a privately owned facility near the off-road area and would travel back and forth between their Arizona proving grounds near Phoenix.

The San Diego desert has more variation in terrain than the sand in Arizona and it's similar to Baja California, where the team entered a Raptor last year in Class 8 of the Baja 1000. In near production form, it finished the race and was third in class, competing among some trucks that are, essentially, tube-frame racers with just remnants of a production vehicle appearance.

Baja race teams build prerunners similar in ability to Raptor for $500,000. The turn-key Ford model starts at $38,995 for the 5.4-liter model. A 400-horsepower, 6.2-liter V-8 goes on sale later this year for $41,995 with no additional features.

This is the first off-road truck for SVT, which has been known for its high-performance street vehicles, including the Lightning pickup. Its latest street car is the 540-horsepower, 2010 GT500 Shelby, so it is no stretch for this team of about a dozen engineers (male and female and all car enthusiasts) to put their know-how into a high-speed off-roader.

Ford calls Raptor purpose built for off-road, but road friendly. I call it a sports car for the desert, but with a 6,000-pound trailer capacity and 1,000-pound payload. Stopping power is absolute with 13.8-inch vented front discs, 13.7-inch vented rear.

Raptor is eight inches wider than a standard F-150 with a 7-inch wider track. The in-your-face front end is sheet-molded plastic from the windshield pillars forward. The front bumper is hydroformed steel with 4.5mm thick skid plates protecting vital parts. From the cab rearward is basically an F-150 FX4, with a full line of convenience and comfort features.

The wider track enhances stability. Fox Racing Shox control the ride. The company was tasked to create a shock absorber system that was comfortable on-road but also superior off-road — able to make table-top jumps without leaving parts behind.

“Fox Shox have the best hardware you can buy,” said Kerry Baldori, SVT chief functional engineer.

Raptor's ride quality seems almost soft on the road as the shocks compress and release, but dive into a corner and this truck really handles. Off-road the shocks firm up considerably when pushed, but I didn't make it so far as to hit the microcellular jounce bumpers. There are 11.2 inches of front wheel travel and 12.1 inches rear.

“The ability of the shock to go from soft to hard is what prevents it from bottoming,” said John Marking, vice president, Fox Racing Shox.

The rear-axle gearing is a fairly short 4.10 ratio, but it doesn't feel aggressive with the tall, 35-inch tires. At highway speeds, the engine is revving at a very comfortable 2,200 to 2,500 rpms. But even with a six-speed automatic transmission, fuel economy is challenged at 14 mpg city, 18 highway.

The 5.4-liter V-8 has peak horsepower of 320 at 5,200 rpm when using E85 gasoline. Power drops to 310 on 91 octane.

Climbing and crawling ability is enhanced by Hill Descent Control, which will hold speed to 2 mph. It can be raised incrementally to 15 mph.

An off-road mode recalibrates the engine throttle map for more driver control, allows some wheel slip, adjusts anti-lock braking to allow slide and prevents air bags from discharging without completely disabling them.

Ford hopes to sell about 6,000 Raptors in a full year. This may not be the ideal time to debut an 18 mpg, ultimate performance truck, but few automakers have gone after the off-road segment with a dedicated vehicle. And they aren't likely to now in this era of scrutinized budgets.

Raptor is a purpose-built truck for San Diego off-roaders.

Mark Maynard is driving in cyberspace at mark.maynard@uniontrib.com.

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2019 Ford F-150 SVT Raptor

Body style: five-passenger, extended-cab, half-ton pickup with 5.5-foot bed

Engine: 5.4-liter three-valve V-8

Horsepower: 320 at 5,200 rpm on E85 fuel; 310 hp at 5,000 rpm on 91 octane

Torque: 390 foot-pounds at 3,500 rpm on E85 / 365 foot-pounds at 3,500 rpm

Transmission: Six-speed automatic overdrive with tow haul mode

EPA fuel economy estimates: 14 mpg city, 18 highway; E85 for peak power

Fuel capacity: 26 gallons

DIMENSIONS

Tow capacity: 6,000 pounds

Length/wheelbase: 220.9/133 inches

Width/height: 86.3/78.4 inches

Curb weight: 5,863 pounds

PRICING

Base: $38,995, including $975 freight charge

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Re: Desert Sports Car - Ford's New Raptor Pickup

Postby Rumpshot » Sun Sep 13, 2009 2:48 pm

The area they were testing in is just a couple miles from my "desert" home. I have driven these trails for over 25 years and camped nearby or owned property nearby for that long. I spend Thanksgiving there each year.

My VW "tunnel buggy" will travel the San Felipe Wash at 60+ mph. What is wrong with a pickup doing the same. I have traveled it with my 2000 Xterra at close to those speeds.

Of course when I do it, there are usually lots of stops to "water" bushes and to refresh the beverages. :lol:
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Postby Combat Controller » Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:34 am

This truck may just help Ford pull out of the weeds. They need to keep it up, sell cars and trucks people actually want to buy.
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Postby viper32cm » Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:37 am

CombatController wrote:This truck may just help Ford pull out of the weeds. They need to keep it up, sell cars and trucks people actually want to buy.


Ford is probably in the best decision to do so too I'd say.

I think this is the first car I've seen where they advertise better performance with E85. The ethanol is better for high compression I know, I wonder if the engine advances or retrads timing when fueld with E85 or 91 octane, respectively.

Still E85 . . . what a crap "solution"

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Postby mekender » Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:39 am

After having my ford in the shop every 6 months for the last 6 years, ill not buy another ford.
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Postby merll2005 » Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:47 am

viper32cm wrote:
CombatController wrote:This truck may just help Ford pull out of the weeds. They need to keep it up, sell cars and trucks people actually want to buy.


Ford is probably in the best decision to do so too I'd say.

I think this is the first car I've seen where they advertise better performance with E85. The ethanol is better for high compression I know, I wonder if the engine advances or retrads timing when fueld with E85 or 91 octane, respectively.

Still E85 . . . what a crap "solution"


IIRC E85 is something like 100 octane, so they would be pulling back the ignition timing for gas. There is also the timing/pulse width adjustments for the ethanol content. Whether E85 is a "crap solution" depends on what problem you are trying to solve. It might be cheaper* than the 100 octane pump gas some places sell even without subsidy and with the reduced fuel mileage.


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Postby NVGdude » Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:27 pm

Our local dealer's can't keep them in stock. Originally each Ford dealer was supposed to only get one of these, but despite the price, they have proven to be good sellers, so Ford backed down and is allowing multiple orders per dealer. The local dealers have sold 5-6 each.

Almost every engine made for it will get better performance out of E-85 compared to gas. Usually only 10-20 HP, but hey every bit helps. And yes, a modern ignition simply advances the timing to take advantage of the varying fuel blends.

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Postby Erik » Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:51 pm

viper32cm wrote:I think this is the first car I've seen where they advertise better performance with E85. The ethanol is better for high compression I know, I wonder if the engine advances or retrads timing when fueld with E85 or 91 octane, respectively.

Still E85 . . . what a crap "solution"

Not sure if they do it in the US, but SAAB has promoted their Biopower models for years to have something like 15 extra hp if you use E85. I have one of them, but I've never tried E85 in it, so I dont know for sure.
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Postby merll2005 » Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:31 pm

Erik wrote:
viper32cm wrote:I think this is the first car I've seen where they advertise better performance with E85. The ethanol is better for high compression I know, I wonder if the engine advances or retrads timing when fueld with E85 or 91 octane, respectively.

Still E85 . . . what a crap "solution"

Not sure if they do it in the US, but SAAB has promoted their Biopower models for years to have something like 15 extra hp if you use E85. I have one of them, but I've never tried E85 in it, so I dont know for sure.


I believe that is a turbocharged engine, right? The computer probably adjusts the wastegate to allow more boost when running E85 to take advantage of the higher octane in addition to the timing changes.
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Postby Erik » Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:03 pm

Honestly, I just turn the key and drive... 8-)
But the way I understand it you're correct. The car "gives" the driver the extra horsepower, and I believe it's the computer that does the adjustment.
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Postby Combat Controller » Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:46 am

Yeah, my 7 series gets 28 (24 cause I put my foot on it) and the Taureg gets 18. Makes the case for higher octane fuel. I also use an octane booster in most tanks as well.
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Postby 308Mike » Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:36 am

CByrneIV wrote:Yeah... and NOT USING SHITTY GAS, in a modern high performance engine.

When you put 87 in my caddy, it runs like shit. The computer retards the timing, and it runs a bit rich; so not only do I get less power, the mileage sucks.


And then you have to run expensive fuel injector cleaner additives more often, but also might need to add an octane boost to help clean out the crap along with the cleaners.
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Postby NVGdude » Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:34 pm

CByrneIV wrote: Your typical econobox isn't going to bother with variable intake, exhaust, and timing, beyond the most basic "make the engine run without blowing up" level.


Chris, even the lowly Ford Focus with it's fairly long in the tooth 4-banger will advance the timing and give you an extra 15 horses if you feed it E85. Whether the rest of the fuel system components can handle it will depend on how Ford built it of coursenot all of them have the E-85 rated fuel pump.

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Postby Evyl Robot » Wed May 19, 2010 2:35 pm

sweet! This is the first I've heard of the thing.

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Postby 308Mike » Wed May 19, 2010 11:38 pm

Evyl Robot wrote:sweet! This is the first I've heard of the thing.


That's what you get for being gone for so long! :lol: :lol: ;) ;)
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Postby cageym » Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:25 am

Digging up old threads:

I saw this on the US version of Top Gear:

http://www.hennesseyperformance.com/svtraptor.html

Power:
• 501 bhp @ 5,100 rpm

Performance:
• 0 - 60 mph: 5.6 sec.
• 1/4 mile: 14.1 @ 97 mph

The VelociRaptor 500 Upgrade Includes:
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• All Necessary Gaskets & Fluids
• Exterior Hennessey Emblem on Tailgate
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• Professional Installation
• 1 Year / 12,000 Mile Warranty
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Postby Aglifter » Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:45 am

I thought the initial specs for that truck were going to be considerably more powerful... You should look into Hennesey before considering doing business w. them... My guess is reprogramming for performance alone will obtain most of those gains.
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Postby cageym » Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:16 am

Those figures are based on the 5.4 engine, they also do the 6.2 so that's probably where the higher numbers you heard about came from.
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Postby Jericho941 » Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:31 am

The most ridiculous mid-sized pickup in recent memory.

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Postby 308Mike » Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:03 pm

cageym wrote:• 1 Year / 12,000 Mile Warranty


And they wonder why people are buying other manufacturer's vehicles - and here I though at Ford, quality was supposed to be Job #1!!

If they're trucks are built so well, why not give them a longer warranty?
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Postby Jericho941 » Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:05 pm

Well, you know what they say. Found On Roadside Ditches.

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Postby 308Mike » Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:08 pm

Jericho941 wrote:Well, you know what they say. Found On Roadside Ditches.


And here I thought it was: Fix Or Repair Daily.
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Postby Precision » Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:48 pm

performance "factory" vehicles have been sold with a 12 month / 12,000 mile warranty for years. A Ranger or F-150 has a significantly better warranty.

Not saying Ford is good or bad, just that you buy a suped up ride from a tuner under a factory badge, don't expect a huge warranty. They KNOW you're gonna bash it.
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Postby 308Mike » Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:52 am

Precision wrote:performance "factory" vehicles have been sold with a 12 month / 12,000 mile warranty for years. A Ranger or F-150 has a significantly better warranty.

Not saying Ford is good or bad, just that you buy a suped up ride from a tuner under a factory badge, don't expect a huge warranty. They KNOW you're gonna bash it.


Perhaps, but even a vehicle with new technology (Hybrids) made in Japan carried a FACTORY minimum THREE YEAR warranty, upgradable to more than double that for less than 5% extra cost. Many other manufacturers are giving 10 YEAR - 100,000 mile warranties, and yet FORD is still sticking to a ONE YEAR 12,000 mile warranty? WTF?? They don't even trust their own vehicles enough to warranty them for longer than ONE YEAR??

MANY people have advised me over the years to look for the manufacturer's warranty to see which item you should buy if all other things are almost equal. That'll tell you just how much they EXPECT it to be back in the shop due to their manufacturing vs. others in the same class. So far, I've found this to be pretty damn solid advice.

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Postby 308Mike » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:06 am

CByrneIV wrote:When you buy an SVT vehicle, you are NOT buying a daily driver, or a transportation vehicle. You're buying a racing, recreation, or other off highway vehicle that happens to be street legal.

Frankly, the idea that anything from a "specialty vehicle team", "team racing development office" "factory speed shop" etc... has any kind of warranty other than DOA is great.

Why would anyone think otherwise?


Even for a production vehicle? Under those conditions, I would think perhaps a two-year warranty would garner much more consumer confidence and trust. But that's coming from someone who's not intimately familiar with the auto industry in general and the high-performance industry in particular. I defer to your expertise, but even so, I think they'd sell more of them if they increased the warranty to demonstrate their confidence in their own product.
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Postby rightisright » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:14 am

The Ford SVT Raptor comes with a 3 year / 36K bumper to bumper warranty. And 5 year 60K powertrain. http://autos.yahoo.com/ford-truck/f-150 ... ranty.html

The 12 month warranty is from Hennessey on their upgrades. That said, Ford most probably would NOT warranty the powertrain if it were upgraded to an 800 twin turbo. :)

This guy quotes directly from the manual: http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtests/2 ... ranty.html

After my day off-roading earlier this week, I was wondering how warranty coverage works with the Raptor. (That is, if something breaks on our truck while off-roading, would it be covered under warranty.) So I've pulled a few quotes from the Raptor's owner's manual.

"The F-150 Raptor carries the same New Vehicle Limited Warranty as other Ford F-150 models."

"SVT does not recommend modifying or racing SVT vehicles, as they are designed and built to be driven as delivered from the factory."

Ford SVT has engineered your F-150 Raptor for off-road use beyond what is normal for a F-150. However, it can incur damage if driven beyond its capabilities. Skidplates, shock guards and running boards were designed to help limit damage to vital components and exterior finishes, but cannot prevent all damage if driven in extreme off-road conditions. Damage to skid plates, shock guards, running boards and exterior finishes as well as bent, cracked or broken body, frame and chassis components may not be covered by warranty."

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Postby rightisright » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:25 am

They leave a lot of wiggle room for damages sustained off-road. But if you are driving it on the highway and it throws a rod, it's covered for 5/60.

People are confusing the 12 month Hennessey warranty w. Ford's warranty.

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Postby 308Mike » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:52 am

Thanks for the education!! That's one of the things I really LOVE about these forums!! Pick a topic and I can pretty much guarantee that we have someone experienced or even EXPERT in the field - at least enough for us novices to realize just how little we REALLY know!

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Postby Denis » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:09 am

"Desert sports"? You need a technical... Tried and tested the sandy world over.

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Re: Desert Sports Car - Ford's New Raptor Pickup

Postby Combat Controller » Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:08 pm

Someday I plan on buying a few and stashing them at various places I travel to often with a "kit" in each one....

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