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Tech Sights AK Sights

Postby Darrell » Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:34 am

Tech Sights has come out with several versions of their rear aperture sights for AK rifles:

http://www.tech-sights.com/ak.htm

Found via the Firearms Blog.
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Re: Tech Sights AK Sights

Postby clyde621 » Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:41 am

If anything near as good as the system for the 10-22 then they are great. :mrgreen:
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Re: Tech Sights AK Sights

Postby Kommander » Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:45 am

When one can get a LaRue iron dot for $160 more or a normal mojo peep sight for just $60 I really don't see the point of this.

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Re: Tech Sights AK Sights

Postby Netpackrat » Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:46 am

I ordered a set this morning, and will post my impressions once they arrive.
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Re: Tech Sights AK Sights

Postby mekender » Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:14 am

Netpackrat wrote:I ordered a set this morning, and will post my impressions once they arrive.


please do... and tell me how they work with the original rear sight, do you have to remove it?
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Re: Tech Sights AK Sights

Postby Rich Jordan » Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:45 am

I'm pretty sure you need to remove the rear sight blade or it can interfere with the sight picture. That is supposed to be easy but I never could get the leaf out of mine (to install a Williams peep).

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Re: Tech Sights AK Sights

Postby Netpackrat » Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:43 am

I'll be removing the original rear sight either way. I also ordered one of their target front posts; dunno if that will be any better, but the existing one on the rifle this is going on is slightly tweaked anyway. I'll probably slip the Tech Sight onto my .308 Saiga briefly, to see if it interferes with the 8X POSP scope, but the S308 will keep its Mojo sights since they are only for backup.
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Re: Tech Sights AK Sights

Postby Dedicated_Dad » Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:22 pm

Is AK. Is shoot.

Personally, I've yet to find an AK more accurate than stock-sights with my eyes at ranges that matter.

Won't tell anyone what to do with their gun, but personally I just don't see the point when the gun will be less-accurate than the sights.

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Re: Tech Sights AK Sights

Postby Netpackrat » Thu Jun 04, 2009 6:37 pm

There are plenty of .308 Saigas around that will shoot into less than 2 MOA with good ammo. For that matter, AKs in 5.45x39 are known for being pretty accurate as well. We'll see how my romy does with decent ammo and the better sights.
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Re: Tech Sights AK Sights

Postby Darrell » Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:03 pm

Netpackrat wrote:There are plenty of .308 Saigas around that will shoot into less than 2 MOA with good ammo. For that matter, AKs in 5.45x39 are known for being pretty accurate as well. We'll see how my romy does with decent ammo and the better sights.


My VEPR will too. :)
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Re: Tech Sights AK Sights

Postby 1991A1 » Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:39 am

Slight thread hijack.

I've been looking at the LaRue Iron dot sight with some interest. Does anyone have any experience and feedback on it?

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Re: Tech Sights AK Sights

Postby Netpackrat » Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:09 am

I think I want my money back. The sights are well made, and were actually a hair oversize requiring a few file strokes to fit, and thus they are rock solid. The bad news is once you snap the dust cover in place, it is damn near impossible to remove, which is inconvenient when you want to field strip the rifle. It's just not practical without some sort of special tool for depressing the cover retaining plungers on both sides of the sight base simultaneously.
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Re: Tech Sights AK Sights

Postby Netpackrat » Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:20 am

Adding some further reflections, I'm probably going to keep them despite the substantial hassle in removing the dust cover and sights for field stripping, because I think this is probably the best sight setup strictly from a shooting standpoint, short of spending $275 on the Krebs rail setup. I don't see how they can recommend the use of a bullet tip for removing and installing the cover, because at best it is a 3 handed operation that I have not been able to achieve without uttering many 4 letter words. As I see it, the only thing that will make this sight setup truly practical is to fabricate a special set of pliers that will allow the spring pins on both sides to be depressed simultaneously with one hand, leaving the other free to manipulate the cover. And needing to carry a special tool around just to field strip your rifle is lame, any way you look at it.

Other than that issue, which is this close to being a deal killer IMO, the sights are fine. As mentioned in my last reply, I actually had to put a file on the sight base to allow it to be installed, so I got a good solid fit with minimal play. They include a set screw that can be installed to take up slack in looser fitting rifles, but I didn't need to use it. I tried it in 3 different AKs (G Romy, AMD-65, Saiga 308) and it was too tight for all of them, but came closest to fitting in the Saiga. I bought the Tech Sights for the Romy, so that is what I fitted them to.

I'm not accustomed to AR type sights, but the flip type aperture is pretty cool. I'm thinking about drilling out the close range aperture for more of a ghost ring effect. I'm glad I bought the windage tool, and a bonus is Tech Sights makes one that also adjusts the elevation of the AK front sight post, which is important because I chose the flip sight rear instead of the elevation adjustable rear. This way I still only have to carry the one tool for sight adjustment.

They included a suggested procedure for removing the original rear sight. I didn't look at it real closely, but it seemed to involve string and cloth, and if my guess is accurate, lots of profanity. I have the Power Custom AK rear sight tool, so it was more or less a non issue for me. Removing the rear sight altogether leaves kind of a gaping hole over a portion of the gas piston, so TS included a special retainer pin that goes in place of the rear sight, and holds the leaf spring for the original sight in its usual position, and it then acts simply as a cover over most of the hole so that crap doesn't drop in there, and also probably so less gas vents out that way. I wouldn't want to try installing it without the Power Custom tool.

I also took the opportunity to finally fix the canted front sight base on this particular rifle, so I wouldn't have to adjust the windage all the way to the stops on my new sight, since the windage drum in the post was already most of the way over due to the tilt. A bore sighter would have been nice for this process, but I think I got it pretty close, and with the windage drum centered again, I have quite a bit of coarse adjustment before I have to start with the rear. It definitely looks a lot better. This process consisted of driving out the retaining pins for the sight base, centering the base up with a crescent wrench, drilling out the pin holes, and installing new oversize pins made of the drill bit I used to enlarge the holes. I also staked them so they will hopefully stay put. Wish the Romanians would have taken the time to get that right in the first place.

As for my final thoughts, I'm not sure I would buy it again due to the dust cover issue. I'm not going to try to return it, because as I said, I think it is still the best I am going to do short of spending big bucks for Krebs' detachable rail with the built in AR sight in about the same location. That, and I filed on it before I discovered the difficulty with the cover. If I had everything to do over, knowing what I do now, I would probably buy the Krebs rail and be done with it, instead of riveting on the combloc style side optics rail, removing same, reinstalling a replacement rail (this time aligned properly), and now buying this user unfriendly sight. But, hindsight is usually 20-20, and I am pretty happy with the current setup of my rifle, aside from the field stripping issue.

I'm not going to post any pictures, because the Tech Sights website does a pretty good job of showing what you get.
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Re: Tech Sights AK Sights

Postby Larry N » Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:39 am

Hi Guys,
The dust cover issue is being addressed and replacement pins will be shipped to all customers who received the first sights. We were concerned about the covers coming off after severe impacts so we placed a small shallow groove on the detent pins where they contact the cover. We also went from mild steel to high carbon spring steel on the cover material and increased the length of the detent pins slightly. The later two are more than enough to ensure that the cover won't come off during an impact so about two weeks ago we decided to drop the groove as we also had experienced the difficulty in removing the covers. A letter will be going out to all customers that bought AK sights the first of next week with replacement pins and instructions. As always Tech-SIGHTS stands behind our products and we are available for technical support. As far as reviews go Voron over at Krink Freak has tested the sights on several AKs and posted the results. If you have any technical questions I would be more than happy to answer them.

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Re: Tech Sights AK Sights

Postby randy » Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:57 am

Hi Larry. Welcome aboard. Always happy to get information from primary sources, and glad to see a vendor talking and working an issue rather than ignoring it or blaming the customer.
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Re: Tech Sights AK Sights

Postby Netpackrat » Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:11 am

Larry, got your email, thanks. I'll be posting it at the other forums where I linked to my review, which I am assuming will be okay with you.
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Re: Tech Sights AK Sights

Postby Darrell » Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:13 am

Welcome, Larry! :)
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Re: Tech Sights AK Sights

Postby Larry N » Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:15 am

Thanks Randy,
We always try to go the extra mile for our customers and are more than happy to work through any issues when given the chance. This is something that we have always done from our start up 5 years ago. After all we are shooters, and we know how we like to be treated from a customer's viewpoint.

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Re: Tech Sights AK Sights

Postby mekender » Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:57 am

oh hell yeah!!! i love it when a manufacturer is willing to come talk on forums...

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Re: Tech Sights AK Sights

Postby ButchS1066 » Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:01 pm

This is a cool development. :)

I went ahead and ordered a set after reading NPR's review, his dislikes nonwithstanding. My first AK type rifle was a Galil, so I'm already accustomed to peep sights on them and the longer sight radius a Galil provides due to it's rear sight placement. The Tech Sights system approximates both of those, and while I understand NPR's frustration with the method of attachment for their replacement top cover, I didn't see it as a deal killer and I figured the benefits outweighed the drawbacks.
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Re: Tech Sights AK Sights

Postby Mud_Dog » Sat Jun 13, 2009 4:10 am

I gotta say, I'm real happy with my 10/22 Tech Sights! I'll probly get a set for my SKS but I have many other things that my money cries for.
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Re: Tech Sights AK Sights

Postby Netpackrat » Sun Jun 14, 2009 12:28 am

Just returned from the range, and have the following impressions:

1) An AK with fancy sights, is an AK. With fancy sights. IOW, I didn't see much improvement in accuracy, even shooting from a lead sled on the bench. I wasn't expecting miracles, though. I did run some high dollar Winchester hunting ammo through it, which actually produced something resembling groups at 100 yards. Again, nothing to brag about, but I'd shoot a deer with it at 100 yards and not feel like I was going to wound the animal. I've never shot well with open sights even off a bench, so maybe with an optic and magnification there could be a little more improvement. All that being said, the improved sight picture was nice, and did make the rifle easier to shoot..

2) The tech sights are too high. Using the lower of the two apertures, I had to adjust my front sight post way up to keep it on the paper at 100 yards. The top of the post is almost even with the tops of the ears on the sight base using a centered hold. I don't think it is my rifle because I never had this issue with the original sights. [EDIT: I was wrong, it's my rifle's fault. See my update below]

3) If somebody calls for an "ALL CLEAR" to check targets, you should wait until everybody responds in the affirmative before heading down range. Especially the guy sitting behind the Kalashnikov. Then you won't have to get your ass back behind the firing line when he announces that he's going to finish off the last 4 rounds in his magazine first.

4) My OST cheek rest works quite well, much better than the "universal" one I had previously spent $30 on that didn't really even fit the rifle.

5) My buddy's recently completed Subaru powered Bearhawk makes a distinctive sound in the pattern, and made it difficult to concentrate on shooting, since I would keep putting down my rifle and get up to watch it go by. The shooting range is located right next to the airport, and I *had* to look because I knew the airplane back when it was nothing but a pile of tubing and aluminum.

ETA:

6) The vertical foregrip I bought a while ago was useless, so I took it off.
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Re: Tech Sights AK Sights (UPDATED)

Postby Netpackrat » Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:34 am

I received the new dust cover retainers in the mail a couple days ago, but have been too wrapped up in other projects to do anything about it until tonight. Included with the new retaining plungers was a pair of new roll pins to hold them in place, a piece of some sort of 1/16" hardened rod (to use as a punch), and detailed instructions. The following will only apply if you got one of the first sights with the older plungers: First, throw the included rod away, and get a real 1/16" punch. Trying to use the former was an exercise in frustration. Second, when you go to drive in the new roll pins, hold them in a pair of needle nose vise grips to get them started as you tap them into their holes. I was lucky to find the roll pin that went flying across the garage when I tried regular needle nose pliers, before switching to the vise grips. Plan on driving the roll pins in the rest of the way with about a 3/8" or so brass punch. Other than those minor details, the directions were great, and changing out the parts was relatively straight forward. And again, this only applies if your sight was one of the first bunch shipped. If you order now you should get the updated retainers and the above won't apply.

The new parts are definitely an improvement. Getting the cover on and off is still a bit of a three handed dance, but it isn't the exercise in frustration that it was before, and I don't feel the need for a special tool. Field stripping with tech sights installed is never going to be as easy as stripping a standard AK, but it's certainly tolerable now and doesn't leave me cursing.

The sight height issue I reported earlier appears to be a problem with my rifle, not the Tech Sights unit. I put it on both my AMD-65 pistol, and my Saiga .308 rifle, and in both cases the Tech Sight was aligned with the sight picture of the existing Mojo sights on those AKs. I put it on my other Romanian based AK, and it was significantly higher than the Mojo. So, the height of the Tech Sight seems to be too high for both of my Romanian rifles, although I have only range tested it with the one rifle so far. And it may not even be a problem with Romanian AKs in general, it could just be the luck of the draw in my case. Considering the potential variability with a stamped receiver riveted to trunnions at each end, it isn't surprising. Just be aware that if you have this problem, it probably isn't Tech Sights' fault; more likely your rifle is just built that way.

[EDITED TO ADD: I remembered another Romy that I had lying around, and the Tech Sight is at the right height for it. It's a sister rifle to the one I range tested, built at the same time on the same brand receiver (Ewbanks), so the height issue isn't a Romanian thing.]

I'm not sure at this point what I am going to do with this sight, but most likely it will end up on my AMD-65 whenever I get around to turning it into a rifle. I'm still vacillating between adding a permanently attached barrel extension, and just paying the ATFU $200, so it will probably be a while. Awhile back I posted a picture of the L1A1 flash hider I modified for it, but I wasn't totally happy with the way that turned out, so I haven't done anything with it yet.

And I've posted about it here before, but here's another plug for Power Custom's AK rear sight tool. Spending the $20 they were asking for that (at the time) was among my better decisions. If you mess with AKs you really should consider buying one.
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Re: Tech Sights AK Sights

Postby Combat Controller » Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:11 am

Wow, that's good customer service right there. I am going to order one to test out just because Larry came here to make it right. Plus I have extra AK's that are not really doing anything so I might as well make a Galil clone out of one, my two Galil's notwithstanding.
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