TWS Gen 3 AK rail/Leatherwood CMR 1-4 w/AK reticle

The place for your detailed reviews and reports for guns and gear
User avatar
Netpackrat
Probably Unemployed
Posts: 12200
Joined: Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:04 am
Location: Anchorage, AK

TWS Gen 3 AK rail/Leatherwood CMR 1-4 w/AK reticle

Postby Netpackrat » Sat Jun 04, 2016 4:41 am

Another bear bare gun... Not sure what a guy has to do to get KG to send him some Gunkote. Move, I guess.

Image

This is the same SBRed AK that was posted in the rifle pictures thread, now with the addition of folding stock with adjustable cheekpiece and anti-rotation QD sling mounts, Texas Weapon Systems Gen 3 rail, and Leatherwood CMR 1-4 power scope with 7.62x39 specific, illuminated reticle. Didn't really want to put it all together until I have a chance to paint the rifle, but if I want to get any range time in with it prior to a class AlaskaTRX and I are taking at the end of July, I kind of had to. Glad that I did due to a couple of minor issues that cropped up.

This is the second TWS rail that I have on an AK; the other is a Gen 2 unit on my Saiga .308. The Gen 3 is more heavily built in general, the rail is very slightly higher, and instead of hinging at the rear sight pivot point, it detaches using an AR type captive takedown pin. They made these changes due to the inability to hinge the cover all the way up for cleaning and field stripping when using a longer scope, and presumably also due to some negative reviews they got where people managed to tweak the mounts when subjecting them to some fairly unrealistic and ridiculous "torture testing" (aka Rob Ski bent one by dropping it while it was hinged open.... duh).

Anyway, I am not entirely enamored of the changes. Mostly because I was quite happy with the Gen 2 rail on my .308 Saiga, even though with the 3x9 variable installed on that rifle, it does have the issue with not being able to fully open the cover. I never considered it a big problem since it opened far enough to field strip, but I will probably still upgrade that rifle to a Gen 3 at some point, and put the current Gen 2 on an AK I plan to build later. Not that there seems to be anything wrong with the Gen 3; so far it seems to be a good product in its own right. I simply think there is something to be said for the lighter rail that sold at a lower price, and did the same job well.

First issue I encountered, was the nut plate that secures the fixed portion of the dog leg to the rear sight block would not slide far enough into the block for the mounting bolt holes to line up. I had to remove some metal from the underside with a file. The second issue is not really the fault of the rail, but as you can see, I have no backup rear sight currently. I bought a rail mount leaf unit from Kel-Tec that others have successfully used on their Gen 2 rails, but using the medium Warne QD rings, they are just barely too tall to fit under the scope. I have an email in to TWS support asking for the height of their backup peep sight, to see if it will clear.

The CMR scope seems to be exactly what I needed for this rifle, assuming it holds up okay. I'm not totally thrilled about having a made in China optic on a "go" rifle, but if you want an optic with a dedicated 7.62x39 reticle, there are only a few options, and I am not going to spend ACOG money on this. The etched reticle seems to be well done, with range markings out to 1000 meters (whatever, but that's what it's marked to), and off to the right side there are range estimation markings that I still need to read more about. The illumination (I chose red) works well, and runs from very bright, down to very dim settings intended for use with night vision devices. It takes the same 2032 batteries as the RMRs on my Glocks, and included 2 in the box with the scope.

Hopefully I can get to the range with this rifle sometime in the next week or so, and I will follow up on how that goes. I am hoping to find a solution for a backup rear without having to switch to taller rings. The medium (3/8" height above rail) rings were kind of a guess; looking at it installed I probably could have used the low (1/4") rings, but no way would I have been able to run a rear sight then. And given the scope's price point and country of origin, I definitely want irons to fall back on.
Cognosce teipsum et disce pati

"People come and go in our lives, especially the online ones. Some leave a fond memory, and some a bad taste." -Aesop

User avatar
JustinR
Trigger Junkie
Posts: 1852
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:53 am
Location: DFW Texas, the last free place on earth

Re: TWS Gen 3 AK rail/Leatherwood CMR 1-4 w/AK reticle

Postby JustinR » Sat Jun 04, 2016 5:36 am

Nice. Is that a 51T mount on the front to be able to use your .30 cal can?
"The armory was even better. Above the door was a sign: You dream, we build." -Mark Owen, No Easy Day

"My assault weapon won't be 'illegal,' it will be 'undocumented.'" -KL

User avatar
Netpackrat
Probably Unemployed
Posts: 12200
Joined: Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:04 am
Location: Anchorage, AK

Re: TWS Gen 3 AK rail/Leatherwood CMR 1-4 w/AK reticle

Postby Netpackrat » Sat Jun 04, 2016 6:05 am

JustinR wrote:Nice. Is that a 51T mount on the front to be able to use your .30 cal can?


Yeah. The rifle started life as an AMD-65 parts kit, but that's not the original barrel. I re-barreled it with a 16" 4150 "nitride" US barrel, then pressed the barrel back out, had a gunsmith cut it back to AMD-65 length, and thread 1/2-28. The front sight block is moved back to give plenty of clearance for the 51T mount. Gunsmith left it a hair longer than I expected, so there is just a little more space there than I originally intended.

I want to build a 16" equivalent to this rifle in case I want to travel out of state (for classes, or whatever), but getting suppressor-true threads will be more of a challenge on that, since I haven't found any normal AK spec barrels longer than 16.x inches. Probably have to move the FSB back a little, and then have a gunsmith shorten, thread, and blind pin the muzzle device in place.
Cognosce teipsum et disce pati

"People come and go in our lives, especially the online ones. Some leave a fond memory, and some a bad taste." -Aesop

User avatar
Netpackrat
Probably Unemployed
Posts: 12200
Joined: Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:04 am
Location: Anchorage, AK

Re: TWS Gen 3 AK rail/Leatherwood CMR 1-4 w/AK reticle

Postby Netpackrat » Sat Jun 04, 2016 7:14 am

Did some searching around, and found purported dimensions that seem to answer my question about the TWS peep for the Gen 3. The Gen 2 rear sight apparently stands .55" above the rail surface overall, and the Gen 3 rail is .090" taller than the Gen 2. Since they lowered the height of the Gen 3 peep sight accordingly, it doesn't seem like it will be low enough to use with my current rings.

That being the case, I think my best option at this point will be to file the Kel-Tec leaf rear slightly to fit under the scope. This carries the advantage of not having to wait for more parts to arrive, and thus I should have it ready for use when I make it to the range next week.
Cognosce teipsum et disce pati

"People come and go in our lives, especially the online ones. Some leave a fond memory, and some a bad taste." -Aesop

User avatar
Netpackrat
Probably Unemployed
Posts: 12200
Joined: Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:04 am
Location: Anchorage, AK

Re: TWS Gen 3 AK rail/Leatherwood CMR 1-4 w/AK reticle

Postby Netpackrat » Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:12 pm

OK, so I have backup irons now. Here's a picture of the Kel-Tec rear sight, as received. IIRC, it was $20 or so direct from KT.

Image

It measured .395" high from the top of the rail, so it wasn't going to fit under a scope mounted with .375" rings. I clamped it in a vise, and then filed the top of it down until it would slide under the scope with a little clearance. Tightened in place, I can easily slide a .002" feeler gauge between the sight and the scope. I hit it with a flat black paint pen. The notch is a little wide, but it should be okay as a backup sight. As you can see, it adds some windage adjustment capability. It's not perfect but hopefully I will adjust the irons and then never need to use them.

Image

Scope mounted in place over the sight, and SDN-6 installed on the muzzle:

Image

I switched from the plain rubber butt pad I had before, to a Limbsaver, to gain a little LOP (orangutan arms), even though it really isn't needed with x39. Since I made my stocks to accept a standard AR recoil pad, that took all of a couple minutes. Sling is attached at the rear with a standard QD swivel, and a Magpul Paraclip at the front. So far I dislike the Paraclip less than the mash hook I was using previously. An aluminum handguard wtih a QD point would be ideal (it would be nice to have a light mount too), but hopefully I am done hanging crap off this rifle for a while. I probably won't put the can on it all that often, either. I use the 10 round mag for bench work, didn't feel like changing it out for the picture.
Cognosce teipsum et disce pati

"People come and go in our lives, especially the online ones. Some leave a fond memory, and some a bad taste." -Aesop

User avatar
slowpoke
Trigger Junkie
Posts: 1196
Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:09 pm

Re: TWS Gen 3 AK rail/Leatherwood CMR 1-4 w/AK reticle

Postby slowpoke » Sun Jun 05, 2016 2:53 pm

If your gunsmith is up for it, you could cut back the 16" barell mount the 51t mount concentic and pin and weld it on to get you to 16.1 at the end of the flash hider. You would be non sbr and a bit more handy. Trick is getting a good concentric mount because once it's on its not coming off, thus needs a very good smith.
"Islam delenda est" Aesop

User avatar
Netpackrat
Probably Unemployed
Posts: 12200
Joined: Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:04 am
Location: Anchorage, AK

Re: TWS Gen 3 AK rail/Leatherwood CMR 1-4 w/AK reticle

Postby Netpackrat » Mon Jun 06, 2016 1:17 am

slowpoke wrote:If your gunsmith is up for it, you could cut back the 16" barell mount the 51t mount concentic and pin and weld it on to get you to 16.1 at the end of the flash hider. You would be non sbr and a bit more handy. Trick is getting a good concentric mount because once it's on its not coming off, thus needs a very good smith.


I think that's going to be the way to go. The guy I use has threaded 4 barrels for me so far, 3 of which I have successfully run my can on (I don't have any intention of suppressing the 5.45x39 he threaded for me a few weeks ago), and he currently has my Rossi 92 barrel for threading. So I have a pretty high degree of confidence in his work at this point.

I did find the website of a dude who will make an AK barrel to spec, but that looks like an expensive way to go, and I kind of like AK Builder's nitride 4150 AK barrels. That's what I used for the above pictured rifle, trimmed back to SBR length.

One interesting thing I learned about the CMR's BDC reticle from the manual... It appears to be designed to match a Russian mil-spec round that uses a steel core, boat tail bullet, that's not available to us here due to ATF's ban of steel core 7.62x39. Looks like the closest available round is going to be Golden Tiger FMJBT... I only have one case of that put away, but for future ammo purchases that will be the way to go. Most of what I have on hand besides that right now is Wolf and Silver Bear.
Cognosce teipsum et disce pati

"People come and go in our lives, especially the online ones. Some leave a fond memory, and some a bad taste." -Aesop

User avatar
Netpackrat
Probably Unemployed
Posts: 12200
Joined: Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:04 am
Location: Anchorage, AK

Re: TWS Gen 3 AK rail/Leatherwood CMR 1-4 w/AK reticle

Postby Netpackrat » Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:21 am

The rifle has some issues that I need to rework, but as far as I am concerned, the scope and mount are good to go. The Federal JSP (blue box) is quickly becoming my favorite factory 7.62x39 for benchmark testing. It's a little more accurate than the Lapua FMJ in this and also the CZ-527M bolt gun. Too bad it's $32/20 locally, but on the other hand, at least I can find it locally. Higher end x39 ammo has pretty much disappeared from the stores around here over the last year or two.

This is obviously not ever going to be a target rifle, but I think it is showing promise. Not bad for a stamped AK bullet hose with a foot long barrel.

Image
Cognosce teipsum et disce pati

"People come and go in our lives, especially the online ones. Some leave a fond memory, and some a bad taste." -Aesop

User avatar
Captain Wheelgun
Loose Cannon
Posts: 825
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:31 am
Location: Austingrad, Travis County Socialist Republic

Re: TWS Gen 3 AK rail/Leatherwood CMR 1-4 w/AK reticle

Postby Captain Wheelgun » Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:30 pm

Very nice. Have you tried out the BDC yet? I'm still trying to decide on a scope for my Mutant, and the CMR is on the list. As you said, there aren't many scopes with a good BDC for 7.62x39.

I've had Leatherwood's 2-7x Scout scope on my Lee-Enfield scout for a couple of years now without any problems, so I would think that the CMR should be OK as well.
"The best diplomat I know is a fully charged phaser bank" - Cmdr. Montgomery Scott
Captain Wheelgun's World

User avatar
Netpackrat
Probably Unemployed
Posts: 12200
Joined: Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:04 am
Location: Anchorage, AK

Re: TWS Gen 3 AK rail/Leatherwood CMR 1-4 w/AK reticle

Postby Netpackrat » Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:41 pm

No, I haven't tried it past 100 yet.
Cognosce teipsum et disce pati

"People come and go in our lives, especially the online ones. Some leave a fond memory, and some a bad taste." -Aesop

User avatar
Netpackrat
Probably Unemployed
Posts: 12200
Joined: Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:04 am
Location: Anchorage, AK

Re: TWS Gen 3 AK rail/Leatherwood CMR 1-4 w/AK reticle

Postby Netpackrat » Sun Jun 19, 2016 6:02 am

Brief update. As mentioned, I had some issues with the rifle... During the first range trip, I kept having intermittent failures to eject, and ultimately I discovered that my rear trunnion was loose. Not sure if that was the fault of my riveting job, a problem with the trunnion I used, or both. None of the other AKs I have built ever had that problem, and some of them have thousands of rounds through them. Took it home, drilled the heads off the rivets, and punched them out. The holes in the receiver seemed OK, so I re-riveted them and everything seemed tight. Took the rifle back to the range, shot the above two groups and then re-zeroed with Wolf. FTEs were gone. I kept shooting it at steel at 100 both for fun, and to see if I could make it fail again.

Eventually I got another FTE and was able to detect some movement in the rear trunnion again. I think the FTEs might have been caused by misalignment of the recoil spring and guide, due to the trunnion getting out of whack.

This time I removed the trunnion again, and tossed it in the trash. I tig welded up the rivet holes in the receiver and ground them flush. I also removed the side rail mount that I installed when I first built the AK... There are better ways of mounting optics now, so I no longer use them. I filled those holes with rivets rather than welding, in case I change my mind (I won't) and decide to put it back some day. I installed a new rear trunnion from AK Builder that I had on hand for a future build... It's one Curtis was selling for a while, that looks like an underfolder rear trunnion, but without the side cuts for the underfolding stock, drilled and tapped on the rear for modular stocks. I used the additional forward material to add 2 more rivets, one on each side. I used the existing rear side rail hole for one of them, in fact. Hopefully that will cure the issues I was having with the previous one getting loose. Was meaning to get to the range with it a couple days ago, but that didn't happen.

Also, after two range trips I have had no issues with the CMR scope, other than some of the reticle markings being hard to see under some lighting conditions. And the new features of the Gen 3 rail are starting to grow on me, especially the new forward pivot pin. With the additional work to the rifle, it has been nice to be able to remove the whole rail quickly and easily.... Removing and reinstalling the Gen 2's forward pin could be a real pain in the ass sometimes.
Cognosce teipsum et disce pati

"People come and go in our lives, especially the online ones. Some leave a fond memory, and some a bad taste." -Aesop

User avatar
Netpackrat
Probably Unemployed
Posts: 12200
Joined: Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:04 am
Location: Anchorage, AK

Re: TWS Gen 3 AK rail/Leatherwood CMR 1-4 w/AK reticle

Postby Netpackrat » Wed Jun 22, 2016 12:05 am

Brief range visit today... Re-zeroed the optic and fired some groups with Wolf and Golden Tiger. Seemed to be a bit tighter than before. Didn't bring any of the good ammo, unfortunately. Then I put 90 rounds of Wolf through it with no malfunctions at all, everything seems to have stayed tight this time. Yay.

Finally got KG to cough up shipping dimensions and approximate weight, so now I am waiting for Lynden to get back to me with a shipping quote from Seattle. Which I guess is progress, of a sort.
Cognosce teipsum et disce pati

"People come and go in our lives, especially the online ones. Some leave a fond memory, and some a bad taste." -Aesop

User avatar
Netpackrat
Probably Unemployed
Posts: 12200
Joined: Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:04 am
Location: Anchorage, AK

Re: TWS Gen 3 AK rail/Leatherwood CMR 1-4 w/AK reticle

Postby Netpackrat » Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:38 am

Made it to the range yesterday morning for the post-Gunkote re-zeroing. Elevation was still dead on, but I had to adjust both the irons and the scope about 4" to the left. Disassembly included removal of the forward mounting point, so some readjustment was to be expected. Not sure I like the target knobs... I found that I bumped one of them out of zero while futzing with stuff on the bench, but at least they can be realigned to indicate the zero point, and when returning them to the zero marks, the adjustments seem to be repeatable.

For now I have it zeroed for plain old Wolf "military classic" FMJ. Eventually once I can get some more Golden Tiger up here, and I burn through the rest of the Wolf, I'll probably zero it for the GT, which prints several inches higher than the Wolf (presumably due to higher velocity). The Wolf can be kind of frustrating sometimes... I know that it's cheap ammo, but I get the distinct impression that the bullets are actually fairly accurate in and of themselves, but the ammo is inconsistent. Here I had a nice group going (keep in mind this was from a 12.6" AK SBR), and the 5th shot ruined it entirely.

Image

It would be an interesting exercise to pull the bullets from some of the Wolf and reassemble as Mexican Match with individually weighed charges.
Cognosce teipsum et disce pati

"People come and go in our lives, especially the online ones. Some leave a fond memory, and some a bad taste." -Aesop

User avatar
Netpackrat
Probably Unemployed
Posts: 12200
Joined: Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:04 am
Location: Anchorage, AK

Re: TWS Gen 3 AK rail/Leatherwood CMR 1-4 w/AK reticle

Postby Netpackrat » Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:21 pm

Bit of an update on the scope... I pulled the rifle out to fool with it a little while ago, and when I turned on the illumination, it was totally dead. Given that I have not used it at all for the most part, and only had it turned on (or so I thought) for a few minutes total at most, that was disappointing. I replaced the battery and it worked, but dialing through the different settings, I noted that a couple of them didn't seem to work at all, and that they were both next to what should have been the "off" positions (there are two, 180 degrees apart).

What I think happened, is the markings on the dial are off from the actual positions, so what I thought was turned off, was actually on one of the low level settings that are for use with night vision, and therefore the illumination was not visible to the unaided eye. But it was a constant low level drain that killed the battery (Sony brand battery that came with the scope). I don't think the control was like that when I took the scope out of the box, but again I have not fooled with the illumination much, so I can't be sure. And operation at some of the settings that "work" seems to depend on jiggling the dial right.

Not sure if I am going to try sending it back yet, or see if it gets worse first. If it hadn't had an illuminated reticle chances are I might have bought it anyway, but having it not working right is pretty annoying none the less.
Cognosce teipsum et disce pati

"People come and go in our lives, especially the online ones. Some leave a fond memory, and some a bad taste." -Aesop

User avatar
Captain Wheelgun
Loose Cannon
Posts: 825
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:31 am
Location: Austingrad, Travis County Socialist Republic

Re: TWS Gen 3 AK rail/Leatherwood CMR 1-4 w/AK reticle

Postby Captain Wheelgun » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:17 pm

Well, that's a bummer. That scope had been on my short list for the Mutant, but I ended up getting the Primary Arms 1-6X24mm SFP scope w/ACSS 300BLK/ 7.62X39 Reticle instead.

It ended up being very easy for me to zero because the height over the bore with the mount I am using causes the 300 yard zero to near zero at 25 yards. This meant I could dial it in at 25 using the 300 yard mark, then confirm with the 50 / 200 point at 50 yards.

I really like it so far.
"The best diplomat I know is a fully charged phaser bank" - Cmdr. Montgomery Scott
Captain Wheelgun's World

User avatar
Netpackrat
Probably Unemployed
Posts: 12200
Joined: Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:04 am
Location: Anchorage, AK

Re: TWS Gen 3 AK rail/Leatherwood CMR 1-4 w/AK reticle

Postby Netpackrat » Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:05 am

As I said before, everything I try to do with guns seems to be cursed in some way, shape, or form. I looked at the PA offerings, but I wanted my drops in traditional 100 meter or yard increments. The problem with 7.62x39 (and AKs in particular), is you can stick a red dot on it in one of several decent mounts, but if you want magnification with a ballistic reticle, the market is kind of stacked against you. You can spend $1300 on a fixed 3 power ACOG, or choose from a handful of lower end choices. There's not really anything in the $500-$1000 range.

I would consider going with the ACOG if this were going to be my main/only AK, but my goal is to have two set up the same way, the SBR and a 16" version (Nodak receiver I ordered a month or two ago just shipped). And I can justify buying a pair of CMRs, but a pair of ACOGs not so much. And I really don't want a fixed 3x scope anyway.

Given that I have another working AK with an Aimpoint as a backup, I am probably going to contact the manufacturer about sending the CMR back. It's just annoying since the rifle is finally finished, more or less.
Cognosce teipsum et disce pati

"People come and go in our lives, especially the online ones. Some leave a fond memory, and some a bad taste." -Aesop

User avatar
Netpackrat
Probably Unemployed
Posts: 12200
Joined: Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:04 am
Location: Anchorage, AK

Re: TWS Gen 3 AK rail/Leatherwood CMR 1-4 w/AK reticle

Postby Netpackrat » Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:22 am

Shot the rifle today... The zero shifted a lot since the last time I fired it and it is hitting roughly a foot to the right of POA at 100 meters. Doesn't seem to be anything wrong/loose with the rifle or mounts. I can check the scope against the irons on paper to isolate the problem, but I'd only taken my rifle gong today. I plan to do that before sending it back (I'll probably choose a different optic either way), but I am pretty sure the problem is with the scope. It needed to go back anyway due to the issue with the illumination.

Super bummed... I hadn't used it all that hard; I just took it to the range and back in a sneaky bag and shot it some, probably less than 1000 rounds.
Cognosce teipsum et disce pati

"People come and go in our lives, especially the online ones. Some leave a fond memory, and some a bad taste." -Aesop

User avatar
Netpackrat
Probably Unemployed
Posts: 12200
Joined: Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:04 am
Location: Anchorage, AK

Re: TWS Gen 3 AK rail/Leatherwood CMR 1-4 w/AK reticle

Postby Netpackrat » Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:02 am

Yeah, scope is borked, TWS mount is fine. I took it back to the range tonight and fired a group at 25 yards using the scope, and it was way to the right. Then I removed the scope and fired a group using the irons which was dead center. Since the rear sight is mounted on the TWS rail, that seems fairly conclusive that something internal to the scope shifted. I kind of doubt that the Warne rings had anything to do with it.

I'm going to try to send the scope to the manufacturer for repair, but not sure what I am going to do if and when they fix it or send a replacement unit... Maybe put it on my CZ-527M bolt action. I'll have a hard time trusting it on the AK, so I think I need to figure out something else. At least in the meantime I still have my other AK with the Aimpoint on a Midwest mount that's been pretty solid.
Cognosce teipsum et disce pati

"People come and go in our lives, especially the online ones. Some leave a fond memory, and some a bad taste." -Aesop

User avatar
Netpackrat
Probably Unemployed
Posts: 12200
Joined: Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:04 am
Location: Anchorage, AK

Re: TWS Gen 3 AK rail/Leatherwood CMR 1-4 w/AK reticle

Postby Netpackrat » Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:38 am

I finally got around to contacting Leatherwood and sending this scope off about a month ago... With everything else I have going on right now, I had mostly forgotten about it, but it showed up in the mail today (btw they required that I send them a check for return shipping with the scope). They didn't send anything to indicate what they did to it, but at least the illumination settings seem to be working properly now. At some point when I get around to it I will probably put it up for sale on Gunbroker to get out of it what I can. When I get done with buying the new house, moving, and selling the old house I am probably 90% sure at this point that I will be buying a Leupold VX-R Patrol scope for the AK to replace it. Right now my new scope fund seems to have been repurposed to a furniture fund. Image
Cognosce teipsum et disce pati

"People come and go in our lives, especially the online ones. Some leave a fond memory, and some a bad taste." -Aesop

User avatar
slowpoke
Trigger Junkie
Posts: 1196
Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:09 pm

Re: TWS Gen 3 AK rail/Leatherwood CMR 1-4 w/AK reticle

Postby slowpoke » Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:11 pm

Saw the scope Ian used on his ak74 on inrange tv, and thought that looks great for an ak. Then I looked into getting one like it :shock: for a surplus east german 4x scope.
"Islam delenda est" Aesop


Return to “Reviews”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest