That info must not have made it into the NICS check. It is being reported that he applied for a Texas CCW and was denied.
Also, it seems to bear repeating:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE9qooFUqsk
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I heard on the radio that the DD wasn't accurate. It was maybe a domestic violence conviction while in the .mil? Still a valid question, though, since that should have raised a flag, too.Vonz90 wrote:So how did he pass a background check with a DD in his record?
ETA: he certainly would have falsified a 4473, though, too.
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It's now being reported that he had a Bad Conduct Discharge. But the domestic violence conviction would still seem to make him a prohibited person.
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HotAir has noted this (linking to ABC News): https://hotair.com/archives/2017/11/06/ ... er-killed/
The same article also notes that he received 12 months confinement (prison) for conviction on 2 counts of domestic assault (wife, kid). Depending on how they ran the sentences (consecutive vs concurrent), that might have disqualified him as well, per 922(g)(1). (Actually, given the way 922(g)(1) reads, "any crime punishable by 1 year or more", and the way the UCMJ reads "such punishment as the court shall direct," almost any UCMJ conviction could be disqualifying. (Unless there's something in the non-punitive articles that I missed.)
The same article notes that the state of Texas denied his application for a LTC, presumably due to the conviction, but that the federal system allowed him to buy the gun. So the disconnect presumably existed somewhere between the USAF/DoD and DoJ/FBI/NICS.
In the same post, local/state police seem to be saying that the motive may have been domestic, and the church may have been targeted because the shooter's MIL attended there.
The same article also notes that he received 12 months confinement (prison) for conviction on 2 counts of domestic assault (wife, kid). Depending on how they ran the sentences (consecutive vs concurrent), that might have disqualified him as well, per 922(g)(1). (Actually, given the way 922(g)(1) reads, "any crime punishable by 1 year or more", and the way the UCMJ reads "such punishment as the court shall direct," almost any UCMJ conviction could be disqualifying. (Unless there's something in the non-punitive articles that I missed.)
The same article notes that the state of Texas denied his application for a LTC, presumably due to the conviction, but that the federal system allowed him to buy the gun. So the disconnect presumably existed somewhere between the USAF/DoD and DoJ/FBI/NICS.
In the same post, local/state police seem to be saying that the motive may have been domestic, and the church may have been targeted because the shooter's MIL attended there.
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Even more now that it came out FBI NICS passed his purchase, when he was a prohibited personTermite wrote:Rumor has it the Texas DPS- Criminal Investigation branch is taking the lead. IIRC, that's the Texas Rangers.
EDIT: YEP, sure is.
Abbott should call Trump and ask him to keep the FBI in the background, as the FBI is likely compromised.
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And moonbats are already trying for more gun control.
If it comes out that he passed a background check when he shouldn't have, well, it wouldn't be the first time.
If it comes out that he passed a background check when he shouldn't have, well, it wouldn't be the first time.
The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
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Am I the only one who saw this, noticed the book it opens to, and thought “Shouldn’t that be back a little further, in Judges?”Termite wrote:Here you go.blackeagle603 wrote:I already carry a stack of books with me and a bag/case with my Bible and notes in it. All related to my either teaching, leading music or both on any given Sunday. Probably could go to a knapsack or even briefcase without anyone thinking a thing of it. Put a locking handgun case inside that and be good to go.
ETA: or maybe better, at Ezekiel 25:17?
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Citizen is/was NRA instructor: http://www.4029tv.com/article/man-who-s ... y/13437943
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Sold my cloak and bought a sword a LONG time ago. I have many Brethren in our Church.
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LOL, Well played sir. Well played.Am I the only one who saw this, noticed the book it opens to, and thought “Shouldn’t that be back a little further, in Judges?”
ETA: or maybe better, at Ezekiel 25:17?
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