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Kelley is a former U.S. Air Force member who served from 2010 to 2014. He was dishonorably discharged and court martialed in May 2014, CBS News has learned.
CBS is reporting that he was dishonorably discharged from the Air Force after a court martial.

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Langenator wrote:FYI:

Per TPC 46.035 (b)(6) "A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed or carried in a shoulder or belt holster, on or about the license holder's person...on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established place of religious worship."
Louisiana also had that restriction in our CCW reg until it was changed.
Now, the governing officials of the church(priest/pastor/rabbi/elders/etc) can give permission for CCW holders to carry inside.

And I'll bet that a lot of Texas church-members are going to start ignoring TPC46.035(b)(6) about.........right now. :?


Wonder what he did to get DD'd from the Air Force????????? :?:
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According to Fox News, he was court martialed and received a DD from the AF for assaulting his wife and kid.

In the same article, it says that his MIL's mailing address is a PO Box in the town, population 400, where the shooting took place.

Besides the straight math (400 residents, approximately 50 attended that church on any given Sunday), anyone want to give odds that MIL attended that church?
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Apparently he was chased from the church by armed citizens.
Pursued by an armed resident.
In a press conference Sunday night, Texas Department of Public Safety regional director Freeman Martin said the gunman attacked the church around 11:20am dressed in black "tactical-type gear," CNN reports. Martin said after the massacre, an armed citizen engaged the suspect and then pursued his vehicle. He said after a chase, the gunman was found dead in his vehicle. It's not clear whether the suspect shot himself or was fatally shot by the citizen.
Motorist Johnnie Lagendorff tells KSAT that he chased the suspect in his truck after witnessing the shootout and being approached by the armed citizen, who accompanied him. He says that after the suspect lost control out of his vehicle, the citizen kept his rifle on him. They led police to him when they arrived minutes later.
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So an armed ordinary gunowner stopped the perp from killing even more people..........

MORE:
Freeman Martin, a major in the Texas Rangers and a spokesman for the Texas Department of Public Safety, says the suspect dropped his rifle and fled after being confronted by a local man who had grabbed his rifle.

Freeman provided a timeline of the tragedy in a press briefing Sunday evening.

“At approximately 11:20 this morning a suspect was seen at a Valero gas station in Sutherland Springs, Texas,” Martin said. “He was dressed in all black. That suspect crossed the street to the church, exited his vehicle and began firing at the church.”

“That suspect then moved to the right side of the church and then continued to fire,” he continued. “That suspect entered the church and continued to fire. As he exited the church, a local resident grabbed his rifle and engaged that suspect. The suspect dropped his rifle, which was a Ruger AR assault-type rifle and fled from the church.”

“Our local citizen pursued the suspect at that time,” Freeman went on. “A short time later as law enforcement responded that suspect right at the Wilson/Guadalupe County line crashed out and was found deceased in his vehicle. At this time we don’t know if it was a self-inflicted gunshot wound or if he was shot by the local resident. We know he’s deceased in the vehicle. "
Good Samaritan describes chasing Texas church shooting suspect with another armed citizen.
Western hat, khaki shirt, and tattoo of a Longhorn skull on his neck.
Yep, he's a Texan..... :lol:
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Have not been able to confirm, but I read elsewhere that it may have been an AR vs. AR gunfight.
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Langenator wrote:FYI:

Per TPC 46.035 (b)(6) "A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed or carried in a shoulder or belt holster, on or about the license holder's person...on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established place of religious worship."

Pretty sure that’s been repealed/requires the church to post
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Langenator wrote:FYI:

Per TPC 46.035 (b)(6) "A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed or carried in a shoulder or belt holster, on or about the license holder's person...on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established place of religious worship."
This was changed in the last couple of years. The church now has to post the 30.06 signs OR verbally announce that concealed carry isn't welcome. Had the link but lost it last night. Two churches I know of in El Paso actively encourage their parishioners to carry to church.
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I was playing B-ball at church last night and discussed this with one of the pastors. He said that they will probably organize so that at least one or two of the ushers are packing, but they have not worked out the details yet.
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Has me returning to a line of (incomplete) thought I had in the past about extent of my responsibilities to "the flock" and the practical issues with carrying in church here in non-CCW CA. Have to be unloaded in a locked case...
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