Defending bourgeois values is hate speach

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Re: Defending bourgeois values is hate speach

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That's a good article. It brought up all the points I would have had it not already done so.

Here's how I test behaviors mentally: "If absolutely everyone did this, would the results be good or bad? Would it work or not?"
- if everyone were polite, would life be better or worse? Better.
- if everyone worked hard to be productive and effective? Better.
- if everyone expected someone else to be responsible for their financial situation? Worse. Wouldn't work.
- if everyone expected others to cater to their desires and feelings? Wouldn't work.

Then, for me the ideal behavior (understanding that there will always be some cases where it's impracticable) is the behavior to strive for.

But the SJW's and anti-isms and academics (most) and college students and FSA, etc. can't figure that out.

I say we should all practice enlightened cultural appropriation - adopt the best, eschew the worst from all cultures. Everyone for the win.
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Reality itself is sexist, racist, classiest, ableist.... The list goes on. Reality is a hateful motherfucker.

So of course accurately noting and observing reality, and from there making realistic cause and effect predictions based on observed reality, is hate speech.

Yes, sarcasm.

These people are not sane, not reasonable, and most certainly have no sympathy for individuals and individualism. They have doctrines and an agenda rooted in said doctrines. (Yes, the doctrines are insane as well.)

Arguing with them is quite literally like arguing with the most ardent religious fanatic. They are simply opponents. Remains to be seen whether things descend to them being the enemy, with no bag limit.
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The thing of it is, the SJW's show just how racist they are by saying that encouraging hard work and good behavior is racist. It is just like when they say having hard standards (like for academic achievement) is racist. They say these things because they do not believe that blacks and Hispanics can achieve them. In the end, there is no difference in assumptions between them and the white supremacists (or Asian supremacists - but I think we are supposed to ignore their existence), they just draw different conclusions on how to proceed from those assumptions.
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Vonz90 wrote:The thing of it is, the SJW's show just how racist they are by saying that encouraging hard work and good behavior is racist. It is just like when they say having hard standards (like for academic achievement) is racist. They say these things because they do not believe that blacks and Hispanics can achieve them. In the end, there is no difference in assumptions between them and the white supremacists (or Asian supremacists - but I think we are supposed to ignore their existence), they just draw different conclusions on how to proceed from those assumptions.
Of course.

If the lefties weren't incredibly condescending and paternalistic in their outlook, toward pretty much everyone, they wouldn't automatically presume they were fit to rule.

I went to a magnet HS in NYC. My fellow students were the brightest, drawn from a huge pool. Getting in was harder than being admitted to an Ivy. Most politics there had an assumed liberal slant (inevitable in that environment) but we were properly *educated*, from all viewpoints. We were expected to *know* things, even if the suggested conclusions we were to draw tended liberal....

Anyway, I still have a number of friends from there. Many of them are quite liberal, much more so than I would have expected from what I knew of them when we were in school together. I occasionally discuss politics and current events with some of those, to see if any might be salvageable.

One of those discussions, I flat out told a few folks, that I could never be a Progressive because I didn't think I was qualified to run other people's lives for them, tell them how they should live and why. For some reason that didn't go over well. It really didn't.
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The SJW crowd convienently ignores the fact that, and the original op-ed writers point out, anyone, of any racial/ethnic group, can adopt what they call "bourgeois values" (more accurately Nortthwest European Protestant/Callvinist values) and be successful. The most prominent example of this would be Asian immigrants.

Ironically, black Americans, and immigrants from points south of the Rio Grande understood this, at least prior to the 1960s. But then the near simultaneous arrival of Great Society democratic socialist government handouts and multiculturalist cultural relativism (All cultures are equally good and valid) may have mortally wounded that ideal.

Leading to where we now find ourselves.
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Langenator wrote:The SJW crowd convienently ignores the fact that, and the original op-ed writers point out, anyone, of any racial/ethnic group, can adopt what they call "bourgeois values" (more accurately Nortthwest European Protestant/Callvinist values) and be successful. The most prominent example of this would be Asian immigrants.

Ironically, black Americans, and immigrants from points south of the Rio Grande understood this, at least prior to the 1960s. But then the near simultaneous arrival of Great Society democratic socialist government handouts and multiculturalist cultural relativism (All cultures are equally good and valid) may have mortally wounded that ideal.

Leading to where we now find ourselves.
Heh. Asian people are whiter than white, at least in terms of being discriminated against in things like college admissions. It's pretty funny.

The SJWs didn't 'forget' that anyone can adopt bourgeois values. They know, and their predecessors have always known. It's just the little thing that SJWs and their predecessors want bourgeois values destroyed, and the people who practice them ruined or dead.

Because those values, and the people who practice them, are obstacles to the SJWs ruling. And yes, SJW predecessors have actively exterminated the bourgeois before.
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Wasn't there some progressive twit, back roughly a century ago (very roughly) who talked about the need to overthrow the "tyranny of the middle class" or some such thing?
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Langenator wrote:Wasn't there some progressive twit, back roughly a century ago (very roughly) who talked about the need to overthrow the "tyranny of the middle class" or some such thing?
Vernon Parrington, in the 1920's. He was the overthrow the tyranny of the middle class guy. He's come up a few times lately in articles I've seen on Instapundit.

But in terms of exterminating bourgeois I was more thinking the likes of Lenin, Mao and Pol Pot.
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Greg wrote:
Langenator wrote:Wasn't there some progressive twit, back roughly a century ago (very roughly) who talked about the need to overthrow the "tyranny of the middle class" or some such thing?
Vernon Parrington, in the 1920's. He was the overthrow the tyranny of the middle class guy. He's come up a few times lately in articles I've seen on Instapundit.

But in terms of exterminating bourgeois I was more thinking the likes of Lenin, Mao and Pol Pot.
The left has a long history of hate for the middle class. I have noticed the left has lately been trying to pull off attacking the "Upper Middle Class" as a way to motivate the middle and lower - middle class to their project. I guess it might fool a few people, but looking at how they define "Upper Middle Class" it is clear that the difference between them and the other parts of middle class is slight and most middle class families have members in all three categories, or exist in all three categories at different times in their life.
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