Shia LeBouf epically trolled

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slowpoke wrote:It is hard to take NRO seriously on an issue that is existential to them. If the alt right succeeds they as an institution will be destroyed. All that hard to believe whan your paycheck requires youno beliefe the other way.

I also would be more inclined to listen to them if they hadn't thrown John Derbyshire under the bus. Quite progressive of them on that.
So what part of the article is wrong?

So NR is ideologically opposed to the alt-right, the same can be said of their criticism of moderate GOP or leftists too. The same could be said of anyone criticizing any competing ideology.
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Another viewpoint of the alt-right

H/T to Kim (who just republished his "Pussification" article)
...even before I read MHI, my response to seeing a poster for the stars of the latest Twilight movies was "I see 2 targets and a collaborator".
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randy wrote:Another viewpoint of the alt-right

H/T to Kim (who just republished his "Pussification" article)
That is one of the better articles regarding the alt-right that I have seen. At the end of the last paragraph I could not help but mentally add that men "Need a proper war, and a general to follow." Not that I think starting a war just so that men can have "a call to maturity, to repentance, to greatness, to leadership, to courage, to self-sacrifice on behalf of women and children" is a good idea, but if things keep going they way they are with Islamic terrorism these alienated men may very well find their war, and find their general. Whether the western democracies come out of this with their current forms of government intact is an open question.
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Kommander wrote:
randy wrote:Another viewpoint of the alt-right

H/T to Kim (who just republished his "Pussification" article)
That is one of the better articles regarding the alt-right that I have seen. At the end of the last paragraph I could not help but mentally add that men "Need a proper war, and a general to follow." Not that I think starting a war just so that men can have "a call to maturity, to repentance, to greatness, to leadership, to courage, to self-sacrifice on behalf of women and children" is a good idea, but if things keep going they way they are with Islamic terrorism these alienated men may very well find their war, and find their general. Whether the western democracies come out of this with their current forms of government intact is an open question.
I agree there is some good stuff there, but I do not think it all relates the the Alt-right in the way the writer thinks.

It is just as likely (if not more) for disaffected men to latch on to something negative (like communism, fascism, islamism, gang-bangerism, etc.) as positive. It is a fine balance and if society screws it up you do not know where it will go. Society needs men, it is as fundamental a need as fire. There will always be fire. That fire can heat your house or burn down your house - take your pick.
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Vonz90 wrote:
slowpoke wrote:It is hard to take NRO seriously on an issue that is existential to them. If the alt right succeeds they as an institution will be destroyed. All that hard to believe whan your paycheck requires youno beliefe the other way.

I also would be more inclined to listen to them if they hadn't thrown John Derbyshire under the bus. Quite progressive of them on that.
So what part of the article is wrong?

So NR is ideologically opposed to the alt-right, the same can be said of their criticism of moderate GOP or leftists too. The same could be said of anyone criticizing any competing ideology.
Almost all of that article is wrong. From a gay jewish brit being an antisemite, to the alt right not being anti leftist.
They “turned a blind eye to the rise of tribal, identitarian movements on the Left while mercilessly suppressing any hint of them on the Right...This is largely false.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... -moral-rot
Largely false? They unperson John Derbyshire from their magazine, but never call for the firing of those on the left--seems largely true. And we know its true further because Romney went harder after Trum than h did Obama, and also because the heritic is also more hated than the unbeliever, and NR views the alt right as heresy. I would rather not continue to fisk NR, theyre largely irrelevant now. It is a shame I rather enjoyed them when I was in college when I was conservative.

I still recall Jonah Goldbergs excellent definiton of American conservative thought, which ironically led me away from conservatism. He said that conseratism was cinserving the institutions of liberty in society and the country. A very good definition.

Then I realized that there were no institutions of liberty left here. They have all sucumbed. Thus before this became an alt right refrain, "What have you conserved?" was my question.
We dont have families, we have child support.
We have feminist domination in our churches.
Schools and universities are driving factors in creating SJW's
The military has been purged by Obama and now is PC.
Our judges just ruled against our 2nd amendment rights, but what is worse against black letter law and the constitution on immigration, not to mention family courts.
The press?
Tell me what institutions of liberty are left?
"Islam delenda est" Aesop
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Jericho941 wrote:Vox Day is, at best, a professional troll in the same vein as Milo Yingyangbadingdang.

At worst he's a Nazi with his dick in an emaciated corpse staring wide-eyed down the barrel of an M1 with his hands up yelling "Ich bin kein Nazi."

Either way, he's a scumbag, he doesn't speak for anyone worth considering, and taking his point of view on anything political is folly.
You keep saying how much you don't like him, but never provide any specific examples of things he has done that make him a scumbag/nazi. Each time you do this, I go read his stuff in an attempt to see for myself, and all I ever find are opinions that I mostly agree with.
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slowpoke wrote: We dont have families, we have child support.
We have feminist domination in our churches.
Schools and universities are driving factors in creating SJW's
The military has been purged by Obama and now is PC.
Our judges just ruled against our 2nd amendment rights, but what is worse against black letter law and the constitution on immigration, not to mention family courts.
The press?
Tell me what institutions of liberty are left?
Well, I have a family, my church has no hint if feminism, the Universities mostly suck (but not the on I graduated from) my kid's schools are great (see church point above as the church runs the schools), I think the military "purge" is not nearly as bad as you think it is (I have been out 6 years now but still have friends and a son in to keep up), the 2nd amendment is firmer then it has been in at least 100 years (look at the concealed carry map for instance not ti mention Heller). For the press we have at least Fox and internet sources which were all non existent when I was a kid.

There are plenty of problems, but there always will be, despair will always lead to worse and that seems where you are.
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Vonz90 wrote:
slowpoke wrote: We dont have families, we have child support.
We have feminist domination in our churches.
Schools and universities are driving factors in creating SJW's
The military has been purged by Obama and now is PC.
Our judges just ruled against our 2nd amendment rights, but what is worse against black letter law and the constitution on immigration, not to mention family courts.
The press?
Tell me what institutions of liberty are left?
Well, I have a family, my church has no hint if feminism, the Universities mostly suck (but not the on I graduated from) my kid's schools are great (see church point above as the church runs the schools), I think the military "purge" is not nearly as bad as you think it is (I have been out 6 years now but still have friends and a son in to keep up), the 2nd amendment is firmer then it has been in at least 100 years (look at the concealed carry map for instance not ti mention Heller). For the press we have at least Fox and internet sources which were all non existent when I was a kid.

There are plenty of problems, but there always will be, despair will always lead to worse and that seems where you are.
You misunderstand me. Im not despairing of the future, i've despaired of conservatism. Conservatism is pureley defensive, and is a losing strategy. What has it conserved?

The point was that the court system is not an institution that is protecting liberty, the example is the second amendment. Where the secound is gaining is with people, not so much with the court.

There are some unicorns out there but the majority of even conservative churches have bought feminism over God. The culture is so awash in it you may not notice. But here is a thought. What was the sermon on Mothers day lat year? Was it how mothers should do more and be better? Was fathers day sermon on how wonderful fathers are, and how we dont appreciate them enough? The last two families that divorced in your congregation, who did the congregation help?

As for families. That is the institution that God setup to care for and raise children. In our society we care for children with child support. Staying married is the special case that you dont have to pay it. And if your wife decides to divorce you, the court will take her side, as will the church even if she was unfaithful to you.

So yes the alt-right is not conservative. It is reactionary and regressive; regressing against the "progress" of the Frankfurt School. Taking the offensive. It is a cultural not necessarily political, because culture is upstream of politics. And since the nation is upstream of culture it is working for nationalism. So in that end it sacrificies some political niceties conservatives hold, in order to conserve the nation, and thats just unneceptable for NR.
(Note well that a nation is not a state.)
"Islam delenda est" Aesop
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We have a winner! ^^^

Sorry, Vonz, but you appear to live in a pleasant bubble that is not consistent with the greater reality. Similar, if opposite, to all the people who were shocked when Bush was elected, because "I don't know anyone who voted for him."
There must be an end to this intimidation by those who come to this great country, but reject its culture.
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Netpackrat wrote:You keep saying how much you don't like him, but never provide any specific examples of things he has done that make him a scumbag/nazi. Each time you do this, I go read his stuff in an attempt to see for myself, and all I ever find are opinions that I mostly agree with.
These days he mostly goes on about SJWs and declares victory over them at every turn, sprinkled with the occasional grandiose tribute to himself as Dark Lord of something or other, spoken largely in /pol/ memes and buzzwords. But when it comes to actual politics, he's never subtle about his views.
Any time there is a "hate crime" against any minority, particularly the sort of crime in which the perpetrator is able to remain hidden, one can be relatively confident that the perpetrator is a member of that minority group and that the crime is a hoax.
The simple fact of the matter is that if you are not white, your nationality is not American and you are not part of the posterity for whom the Constitution was written. (Of course, if you are a white immigrant, or descendant of immigrants, you are not part of that posterity either.)

You may be a United States citizen, you may be a resident of the United States, and you may be part-American in the sense that many individuals are part-German or part-Dutch, but you are not an American in any legitimate sense of the word, regardless of what ideas and ideals and propositions you happen to hold in your heart at the moment.
A half-African, half-Asian child will likely be more athletic than the average Asian and more intelligent than the average African. On the other hand, it will probably be less intelligent than the average Asian and less athletic than the average African.
Imagine if the British had fought WWII this way. The Swastika would still be flying over Westminster. You don't win a war by not fighting it. You don't save your nation by welcoming refugees, migrants, and invaders. You don't survive by electing immigrants as your leaders.

Reconquista 2.0 or Sharia. That is the choice facing the West.
If Kansas City doesn't want whites, then whites should reduce Kansas City's white population to zero: The trick, of course, is to prevent the diversity from following.
And if you doubt that this is a conscious invasion and conquest, keep in mind that in living memory, the US federal government rounded up its Japanese citizens for fear of an invasion by Japan, a nation of 73 million that was separated by more than five thousand miles of the Pacific Ocean.

There are now already 60 million members of La Raza Cósmica resident in the USA, 45 million more than in 1980. And the vast majority have no more interest in the Constitution, the Rights of Englishmen, or the national interest of Americans than the Shōwa Japanese did.
Nations are people. They are not ideas, borders or political boundaries. Change the people, change the nation. Change the people, and all of the ideas, borders, and political boundaries will inevitably change with them. Demographics is destiny. ...

Assimilation is not assent to an idea. It is not mimicking behavior or learning the language or parroting words. Assimilation means interbreeding for multiple generations until your genes are no longer detectable amidst the host population. And assimilation is impossible for large quantities of immigrants.
First, there is no such thing as marital rape. Once consent is formally given in public ceremony, it cannot be revoked; the form in which marital consent is revoked is well-established. It is called divorce.
I've yet to run into a woman who is able to even try to defend female suffrage on any basis beyond a) personal feelings, b) "fairness", and c) an appeal to the Unicorn of Equality.
I have three main objections to strong female characters. First, the basic concept is a lie. Barring mystical powers or divine heritage, the strong female character is simply nonsense. They don't exist, they aren't convincingly imagined or portrayed, and they're essentially nothing more than token feminist propaganda devices. Freud would, in this case correctly, put the whole phenomenon down to penis envy.
Women do not write hard science fiction today because so few can hack the physics, so they either write romance novels in space about strong, beautiful, independent and intelligent but lonely women who finally fall in love with rugged men who love them just as they are, or stick to fantasy where they can make things up without getting hammered by critics holding triple Ph.D.s in molecular engineering, astrophysics and Chaucer.
Apparently diversity isn't turning out to be as quite as "good for the Jews" as it's been advertised. But there is no pressing cause for concern, I'm sure that the third worlders invading America will be much better behaved than the third worlders invading Europe.
How shocking it is to discover that despite the magic of geography and high quality infrastructure, African-Americans did not magically transform into 1950s-style tax-paying, economically sufficient white people. Interestingly enough, it has only taken my ruthless Aztec cousins 27 years to ethnically cleanse Compton of most of its African-Americans. What was a white city in 1948 and a black city in 1988 is now 65 percent La Raza, 32.9 percent black, and 0.8 percent white.

That's what diversity in future America looks like, cuckservatives. One without white people. Good luck with that. It's also why I think it is spectacularly funny that white SJWs believe one has to be a white supremacist in order to hate blacks. You'd think they never met an Arab, an Asian, or a Mexican.
He's oily, too. His favorite thing to do when confronted about his more extreme statements is to immediately disavow them, or accuse his detractors of having poor reading comprehension or being unable to separate rhetoric from dialectic. In other words, "when I said 'they have to go' I didn't actually say anything in support of making that happen."

Which is why, ultimately, I think it's most likely he's just a professional troll. He knows how to whip up his fanbase, his "Dread Ilk," usually through incendiary writing that attracts the ire of his hated SJWs, resulting in embarrassing slapfights with intellectual welterweights like John Scalzi that he can be sure to profit from when he inevitably publishes another book about SJW this and cuck that. Hell, he'd probably love this post. When attempting to debate with actual experts, the results are less impressive.
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