Bundy Ranch 2 under way in Oregon

[JustinR]

+1 to "this isn't going to end well."

One has to pick their battles, especially REAL battles. The situation is F-ed up no doubt, but I can't see falling on my sword for it.

[skb12172]

Then, when? What scenario would be worth it? When it is so obvious as to be too late?

[rightisright]

I'm going to wait to see this play out a bit more. This does not sound like Bundy 2, so far.

[Yogimus]

Congratulations on taking a government building on a 3 day weekend.

Put concertina wire around facility, with an entry control point. Post an APC on all 4 corners. Leave a sign that says "Whenever you are ready, come on out... or whatever." Take their guns, give them a 25 dollar ticket, and send them home.

[JustinR]

Then, when? What scenario would be worth it? When it is so obvious as to be too late?

It's easier to say not THIS scenario. I say that, because a majority of non-land owners on the coasts and big cities have no comprehension of land ownership. There simply isn't the support or even understanding from a majority of Americans, and the two individuals at the center of the case don't even WANT this outcome.

I know there's a lot to this fairly complicated story, but the reality is that most of America doesn't care if two ranchers are thrown into prison unjustly.

[Jericho941]

Then, when? What scenario would be worth it? When it is so obvious as to be too late?

The US government has had repeated object lessons in "don't fight a war on behalf of people who don't want you to fight" and apparently the people never got the memo either.

[Termite]

Reading several articles, it appears to me that the 2 ranchers got sentences lighter than federal sentencing guidelines recommend(perhaps from a sympathetic judge), served the time, and were released.
ANOTHER judge has taken exception to this, and ordered them back to prison.

Hmmmm.........

[skb12172]

Doesn't sound constitutional or legal.

[Termite]

Apparently the 2 ranchers were charged/convicted under a federal terrorism law, rather than ordinary arson. Lately this seems to be standard modus operandii for assistant US attorney generals.

Couple of good WaPo articles:
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[skb12172]

If we're all terrorists, not only are you easier to control, it's easier to turn public opinion against you.