Nuclear power plants and Jihad invaders

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Protecting the perimeter is dumb. Protecting the resource is smart.
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Yogimus wrote:Protecting the perimeter is dumb. Protecting the resource is smart.
Make the perimeter so that it can be secured. Just don't go out to the line boundary and put up a fence. That's dumb.

One of the things the nun showed us was that she could get in. I don't think she intended to do any damage, just to bring media attention to the evil nuclear facilities in the US. SO, no, she didn't do anything but get caught, and that was her whole plan. She succeeded beyond her wildest ambition.

One thing I learned in the Army is that you protect the resources that absolutely must be protected. Which means, if some bozo wanders up, he stands a reasonable chance of getting shot. If your security force isn't serious, no one else will be either. I'm surprised that the nun didn't get shot. It showed me that the security set-up at Oak Ridge wasn't serious.
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Yogimus wrote:Protecting the perimeter is dumb. Protecting the resource is smart.
In the case of a PWR, the design itself goes a very long way to protecting things... There are dozens of various safety systems in place that are next to impossible to disable or bypass, they are constructed to some of the toughest standards on the planet using materials and quantities of said materials in amounts that are rarely seen elsewhere, and the only parts that are actually capable of causing problems outside of the immediate area (a few hundred feet in diameter) are buried deep within the entire facility. Or they are so radioactive that exposing yourself to them is going to be fatal within a time frame ranging from minutes to a couple of days.
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PawPaw wrote:
Yogimus wrote:Protecting the perimeter is dumb. Protecting the resource is smart.
Make the perimeter so that it can be secured. Just don't go out to the line boundary and put up a fence. That's dumb.

One of the things the nun showed us was that she could get in. I don't think she intended to do any damage, just to bring media attention to the evil nuclear facilities in the US. SO, no, she didn't do anything but get caught, and that was her whole plan. She succeeded beyond her wildest ambition.

One thing I learned in the Army is that you protect the resources that absolutely must be protected. Which means, if some bozo wanders up, he stands a reasonable chance of getting shot. If your security force isn't serious, no one else will be either. I'm surprised that the nun didn't get shot. It showed me that the security set-up at Oak Ridge wasn't serious.
I believe that there are several reactors in the Eastern US that sit right on waterways where people can literally pull up to touch the wall in a boat... I know that Catawba here by me has a public park and boat launch a few hundred feet from the water runoffs... And McGuire, on the other side of Charlotte has neighborhoods on the other side of the fence.

But I remember reading something within the last couple of years that talked about a plant that was either on the Mississippi or on a river in NY where the wall of the reactor building was literally the bank of the river and they had issues with "protesters" causing problems with it.
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Yogimus wrote:Protecting the perimeter is dumb. Protecting the resource is smart.
Spin how you like it, they are mall ninjas, or possibly not even that (at least at the facilitis I've been to).

Force protection was my thing in the Nav for a good part of my time in ant they are just idiots.

As for protecting the perimeter, that is where threats might come from. The people actually doing work on the plants are not theats. If you can't tell the difference then you don't need to be doing the job.
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There are some nuke teams which place highly in competitions, but that could just be particular facilities.
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PawPaw wrote:
Yogimus wrote:Nuclear power plants have a private army
Thanks for the reassurance, Yogi, but didn't a nun break in to Oak Ridge a couple of years ago?

If the security at Oak Ridge will let a nun slip through the cordon, don't color me convinced.
What mekender said.
Oak Ridge sits on 55 sq. mi. of property. It's for all intents and purposes a township more than 7 miles square, amongst wooded Tennessee hills.
And it's a laboratory complex which works with nuclear materials, not a nuke power plant per se.
Were it the latter, she would have gotten as far as the outer gate, and then been pounced rather harshly.

From what I've seen of the staff doing security for US plants, at least in the western US, they tend to take their employees' marksmanship and armaments rather more seriously than armored car companies do with truckloads of cash and bullion.



What I'd like to know is whether the Euro-peons treat their nuke plants like actual secure facilities, or more like JihadiMarts, with security officers cleverly drawn from the local mosque attendance rosters. :roll:
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Back in ye olden days the Euros took plant security pretty seriously because they expected Russians or Russian Proxies to make attacks on them. The French had guards with serious weapons, sub machine guns, rifles and such. Reportedly they had anti-tank rockets on hand for vehicle assaults. They tended to build their plants on waterways and that was considered a weakness and there was a kerfulle on increasing security water side. It was rumored that if you got to close to the inlets or outlets you could end up setting off explosives or getting electrocuted. Spenastys were spotted checking out various plants. Some one back then once said that he thought half of the long haul truck drivers in Western Europe were Russian agents.
Now days I don't know.
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