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Arizona shooter

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/20/bu ... ities-say/

Well it looks like they made an arrest based on a ballistics match. Considering the error range for that, how likely is it the arrested the wrong guy? I'm thinking 50/50 but I hope it is better than that.

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As much publicity as this has gotten, the "investigation" is a matter of generously flinging poo to see what will stick.

I'd say 60-40 they've got the right guy.
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He's claiming that the gun was pawned and has been in the pawn shop since before the shootings. I hope he's got his pawn receipt.
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Ballistics evidence based on "fragments"??

Even odds they've fucked up by the numbers, and will be eating a big shit sandwich if they have to release him.
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They go from nearly a dozen random shootings in a metropolis of nearly 4M people, to a collar virtually the day after the story breaks nationally?
Sh'yeah, when monkeys fly outta my butt.

If it turns out that the weapon in question was indeed pawned during the bulk of the shootings, as alleged, they're going to look like the biggest bunch of assclowns since the JonBenet Ramsey investigators.

I'll wait and see which way it breaks, but I'm not betting on this to pan out.

And they only like him for what...four of the shootings?
So there are one to seven other copycats out there?
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From looking at info on that pawn shop, I highly doubt that the guy's story is legit...

Not sure if you guys will be able to see this:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/mo+mo ... GACh3EqwDU

That is not the kind of seedy, hole in the wall shop I would expect to see something like this happen at. My guess is, they not only had clear paperwork of him pawning it but dated video too and it took them all of 10 minutes to pull it up for the detectives to see it.
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mekender wrote:From looking at info on that pawn shop, I highly doubt that the guy's story is legit...

Not sure if you guys will be able to see this:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/mo+mo ... GACh3EqwDU

That is not the kind of seedy, hole in the wall shop I would expect to see something like this happen at. My guess is, they not only had clear paperwork of him pawning it but dated video too and it took them all of 10 minutes to pull it up for the detectives to see it.
You're assuming they did any sort of diligent investigation of his alibi prior to making the arrest.
On a weekend.
With city hall and 200 national media reporters breathing down their necks every 5 minutes, schools pulling busses off the freeways, and local parents doing the headless chicken.
Uh...ok.

And the direct personal consequences to the investigators involved for making a bonehead move like arresting the wrong guy under that kind of pressure would be...oh, wait, nothing whatsoever.

And amidst what must be dozens to hundreds of dead-end tips and leads to nowhere, they magically pulled this guy out of their asses almost overnight, because he happened to have pawned the exact gun make/model they were looking for, thus putting it on the local skyline, unlike the other X,000 probable owners of the same gun in the same metropolitan area.

And this is the same ATF office that was walking guns to the Mexican cartels, and trying to match bullet fragments to an actual weapon in a case where they aren't even certain a firearm was even responsible in most of the incidents.

This is moving from coincidence to magic...brownies.

Still, with the BATFE involved, the guy should feel lucky they didn't just burn his house down with him in it, and then whitewash the lack of any coherent case against him with "It was to save the children!"

And if they're going to point to YouTube videos of someone having fun while shooting as evidence of being a freeway shooter, I'm thinking in Phoenix they'll only have narrowed things down to 400,000 suspects. :lol: And it was nice of them to throw in terrorism charges, in a case where the most serious injury was about as critical as a shaving cut.

I'm getting popcorn; if their case isn't already an airtight slamdunk, they're about to buy this guy his next 4,000 guns, and let him avoid the need for an actual job for the rest of his adult life.
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How did they zero in on this guy in the first place. The report almost makes it sound like they took the bullet fragments, ran them through a computer, and it somehow spat out this guys name. The police needed a reason to be looking into this guy in the first place, and they don't seem very forthcoming with that information.

Edit: According to AZ central the investigators managed to use bullet fragments and shell casings to determine what kind of gun they think the shooter used. They then went around to all the HUNDREDS of pawn shops in the area, asking them if they had any guns of that description and if they did testing them to see if any of them was a match. The article states that the firearm was acquired from the pawn shop on Wednesday, and they managed to run the guns ballistics in TWO days and arrest the guy on Friday. The lab may have given this case priority give that it was part of an ongoing event, but two days between the police getting their hands on the gun and the arrest seems awful fast.
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They seem altogether too happy with themselves claiming they ballistics matched the rounds. We all know the scoop on the claims of that "technology". Wouldn't be surprised if they've got the wrong guy, and if they do, I doubt very seriously the ballistics really matter. Although, I'm sure they'll be extoling its virtues when in court.
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Guilty or innocent, that guy is fucked.
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Yogimus wrote:Guilty or innocent, that guy is fucked.
He could conceivably become fairly rich if he's innocent.
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