So ISIS (Islamic State in Iraq & Syria) the black-hooded thugs currently beheading, raping, pillaging, and looting their way to Baghdad virtually unopposed, basically got tired of getting their asses handed to them in Syria, and realized the only thing keeping them from going the other direction was a black printed line on the map. So...
1) What happens when the cartels in Mexico logically reach the same decision point?
2) How many major US military bases are less than 100 mi. from the southern border, and thus could/would probably be overrun within the first 24 hours?
3) For those of you south of the 100 mi. point ( or too damn close to it) anywhere between San Diego and Brownsville, what's your go-to-hell plan? Run to the Pusan Perimeter and hope someone shows up to help, or start fortifying the Alamo?
4) How encouraging does a government under- or over-response and the aftermath to such a scenario make anybody feel, given both the current official federal policy of ignoring the border, and the tendency to flash-bang infants first, ask questions later, and use the Constitution for toilet paper?
Just curious.
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Hell, the military bases are being used to house the invaders, are they not? And the Border Patrol is now the Welcome Wagon. WTF, over?!
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I don't really expect it to be a problem up here, although our bug-out location is discouragingly close to the border with Canadia. Not to mention being surrounded by Parkistan.
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I offered up a similar scenario in another thread a few months ago, and was roundly scoffed at. Of course, that was an invasion by the Mexican military, but still...
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Guys, the cartels are astoundingly powerful for a criminal organization - and they've been let to fester, but it wouldn't even take the Feds to stop them - they mainly use fear, terror and money to motivate. No one "believes" in the Zetas or the Gulf, etc.
All it would take is a local sheriff organizing a "posse" of a rather large size and for the national guard to take out whatever the Mexican military shows up with, and it would be over soon.
Cartels are, fundamentally, creatures of the market - as such, they seek profit. The scenario you described is not profitable.
All it would take is a local sheriff organizing a "posse" of a rather large size and for the national guard to take out whatever the Mexican military shows up with, and it would be over soon.
Cartels are, fundamentally, creatures of the market - as such, they seek profit. The scenario you described is not profitable.
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This. But never discount the possible influence of latin pseudo-machismo.Aglifter wrote:Cartels are, fundamentally, creatures of the market - as such, they seek profit. The scenario you described is not profitable.
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Yes, but.Aglifter wrote:Guys, the cartels are astoundingly powerful for a criminal organization - and they've been let to fester, but it wouldn't even take the Feds to stop them - they mainly use fear, terror and money to motivate. No one "believes" in the Zetas or the Gulf, etc.
All it would take is a local sheriff organizing a "posse" of a rather large size and for the national guard to take out whatever the Mexican military shows up with, and it would be over soon.
Cartels are, fundamentally, creatures of the market - as such, they seek profit. The scenario you described is not profitable.
The one constant of human nature is that people don't infallibly act in their best interests (Victoria and the Kaiser were cousins, but we still got 1914), and people so sociopathic that they choose a criminal career and mark their territorial boundaries with severed heads are probably the last people whose steadfast practical wisdom you want to rely upon.
At this point, it should be noted, the ISIS forces are routing the Iraqi (nominal) Army using a conga line of Toyota Hiluxes full of a handful of armed hardcore jihadis apiece, not with massed phalanxes of armor.
One whackjob with an AR-15 paralyzed this state for a week, and a five day riot saw 20,000 LEOs run and hide. There were no calls for posses, except over their shoulder on their way out of Dodge. I watched both of these things in real time.
A thousand of them with AK-47s on the same mission in 250 minitrucks acting in loose concert, and with no sense of boundaries, moral, metaphysical, or geographic, and things would cease to function south of a line from Monterrey-Vegas-Albuquerque-El Paso inside 3 days. It would look like scenes from a disaster flick, or worse. The minute the physical border checkpoints ceased to exist and the news got out, the rush northwards would probably sink the northern edge of Mexico a foot an hour by nightfall. Hell, the perception that it's moderately difficult and somewhat pricey to pay to get smuggled in is the only thing keeping 30 million Mexicans in Mexico right now. If that cork ever comes out, fuggedaboudit. The mere fact that Hopey Dopey and Obama's (Penis) Holder refuse to enforce customs law has them pushing babies through the fence this minute.
I wouldn't see the mission in such a scenario as physical conquest per se, just trying to bring about the same abysmal level of chaos and anarchy that exists to the south, such that we lose all control over the border region for an indefinite period. That doesn't seem to be hurting them or their business in Tijuana, Juarez, Nuevo Laredo, etc. despite ongoing body counts higher than what we experienced at the height of two wars in SWAsia.
That would be extremely good - and profitable - for their business, and not particularly difficult to accomplish nor sustain.
Not least of which because they already have 20,000,000 sympathetic cousins here already, and no small number of whom already have mugshots on file at the local sheriff's office already.
I'm not on a horse sounding alarms that they're coming next Tuesday.
I'm just saying if the penny ever drops and that light bulb comes on overhead down south, a sizeable hunk of the countryside is already wearing assless chaps, and will be riding on El Jefe Humongous' bitch seat in short order.
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Aesop, the Marines at Pendleton and 29 Palms are not the Iraqi Army, nor are Texans Iraqi civilians.
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Sounds almost like an opportunity to get some hardware into the hands of the militia.
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Pendelton... Shit... Just give the youngbloods at Lackland some Garands and the problem would be solved... Failing that the boys in blue from Colorado Springs could clean up the rest.Cybrludite wrote:Aesop, the Marines at Pendleton and 29 Palms are not the Iraqi Army, nor are Texans Iraqi civilians.
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