The Stupid It Burns (Episode 45,165)

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The Stupid It Burns (Episode 45,165)

Postby MarkD » Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:32 pm

Last night my wife's cousin shared something on FB (yeah, I know) that had a picture of Irwin Rommel with the caption "There are no statues of Rommel because he was part of an evil organization, why are there Confederate monuments?". I replied "Maybe there are no statues of him because he was allowed to kill himself (as a war hero) instead of standing trial for treason for taking part in an attempt to assassinate Adolf Hitler?"

Sometime in the last few decades they stopped teaching history I guess.

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Re: The Stupid It Burns (Episode 45,165)

Postby randy » Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:55 pm

By that "logic", then why are there statues of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Che...
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Re: The Stupid It Burns (Episode 45,165)

Postby MarkD » Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:59 pm

randy wrote:By that "logic", then why are there statues of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Che...


Oh no, those weren't evil, they had good intentions. Kumbaya and all that happy horseshit.

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Re: The Stupid It Burns (Episode 45,165)

Postby Steamforger » Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:32 pm

Makes me wish I still lived relatively close to Fremont in Seattle....

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Re: The Stupid It Burns (Episode 45,165)

Postby Jered » Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:50 am

Steamforger wrote:Makes me wish I still lived relatively close to Fremont in Seattle....


Stop reading my mind!

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Re: The Stupid It Burns (Episode 45,165)

Postby scipioafricanus » Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:52 am

The people now are nothing more than our version of ISIS or the Taliban destroying monuments and history. But there is an issue when a lot of Confederate monuments were erected in the 1920's when the "Lost Cause" was close to its height, and the Klan had its record numbers.

Should the be torn down?... no. Should they have a Sherman statue looking over them with an eternal flame (cigar perhaps)?... yes.
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Re: The Stupid It Burns (Episode 45,165)

Postby scipioafricanus » Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:11 am

If a statue that has been standing in your city for years suddenly sends you into paroxysms of destructive rage, you are really determined to create a problem for yourself, and you’ll create another problem when it’s gone.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... n-monument
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Re: The Stupid It Burns (Episode 45,165)

Postby Jered » Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:13 am

My state capital has a statue of a Fenian in it.

Does it trigger the British people?
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Re: The Stupid It Burns (Episode 45,165)

Postby randy » Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:19 am

MarkD wrote:
randy wrote:By that "logic", then why are there statues of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Che...


Oh no, those weren't evil, they had good intentions. Kumbaya and all that happy horseshit.


Oh, I know that's what they feel (think would be too strong a word). Which is why they are the evilest of the lot.

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Re: The Stupid It Burns (Episode 45,165)

Postby Rich » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:03 am

OK, here goes another episode of me, me, me.

I have kin who are of color, and I have kin who are lily white.

During the Civil War, all my ancestors (that I knew of) who fought were on the Union side.

Some slightly earlier ancestors profited greatly from the infamous "Three Cornered Trade" by captaining and crewing ships that brought slaves from Africa to the Caribbean and America.

Much earlier ancestors walked out of the steppes of Asia after the Ice Age and peopled Europe.

And much, much earlier ancestors walked out of Africa to populate the Middle East and Asia.

What does it all mean? Not a damned thing.

I'm responsible for what I do, nothing more, nothing less.

If I want to pull down a statue, I should be charged with the appropriate crime.

I refuse to be perpetually aggrieved.

Now, aren't you glad I wasted this bandwidth to deliver this message. :P
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Re: The Stupid It Burns (Episode 45,165)

Postby Windy Wilson » Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:56 am

I like the Sherman statue idea.

I think the statues all date from fifty to sixty years plus after the war because that was when they finally had money to order something from the foundry. Sherman saw to that.
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Re: The Stupid It Burns (Episode 45,165)

Postby Netpackrat » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:45 am

Windy Wilson wrote:I like the Sherman statue idea.

I think the statues all date from fifty to sixty years plus after the war because that was when they finally had money to order something from the foundry. Sherman saw to that.


People seem to have forgotten that the folks who might have been inclined to build Rommel statues were bombed until the rubble bounced. Then they had their country partitioned. Then the occupying powers didn't leave for decades after, and in our case, we never really did.
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Re: The Stupid It Burns (Episode 45,165)

Postby Windy Wilson » Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:03 pm

Good point. Reconstruction ended and the returned rebels found a way to get around the post civil war amendments using Jim Crow. If the allies had left Germany completely in 1955, the situation would be similar and Germany would still be a problem today.
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Re: The Stupid It Burns (Episode 45,165)

Postby Vonz90 » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:15 pm

I am not a fan of an Confederate monuments; it was fundamentally an evil cause. This is not to say that I think everyone who fought for or supported the Confederacy was evil (good people do sometimes join bad causes for good reasons) - but the overall judgement is still the same. I see no reason to celebrate such a cause.

Having them at actual battlefield graveyards is about the most I would agree with.

I am also not in favor of mobs tearing down public structures. This has to be stopped as it goes to no good end. If the elected representatives want to take them down (and I would prefer that they did) - that is the only acceptable way of doing it.

BTW - do you know who else was against erecting monuments to the Confederacy? Try R.E.Lee - http://leefamilyarchive.org/papers/lett ... /v076.html

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Re: The Stupid It Burns (Episode 45,165)

Postby Kommander » Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:46 am

The issue is that I don't think that these guys could tell the difference between a statue of General Forest, a memorial to the dead, and a marker for a battle site. Hell I would not be surprised if they pulled down a union statue by mistake. Hopefully /pol/ can get some of those Lennin statues down.

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Re: The Stupid It Burns (Episode 45,165)

Postby Jered » Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:03 am

Kommander wrote:The issue is that I don't think that these guys could tell the difference between a statue of General Forest, a memorial to the dead, and a marker for a battle site. Hell I would not be surprised if they pulled down a union statue by mistake. Hopefully /pol/ can get some of those Lennin statues down.


Formally Presented. The speaker lauded the present-day American spirit, a spirit of union with no feeling between the old north and south, which caused such bitterness and sorrow years ago. Both sides are now engaged in building up a better c ountry to live in, making their homes more comfortable, their cities more beautiful. She closed:

“On behalf of the daughters of the Confederacy, I present this fountain to the city of Helena as a token of our esteem toward our new home.”


Found here.

The Democrats are trying to get rid of that one now.

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Re: The Stupid It Burns (Episode 45,165)

Postby Vonz90 » Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:59 am

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2 ... hicago.php
...and defacing Lincoln statues now.

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Re: The Stupid It Burns (Episode 45,165)

Postby Weetabix » Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:25 pm

Someone recently painted "Tear it down" on a statue of Joan of Arc in NO
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/08/17 ... -take/amp/
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