McCrybaby finally called uncle on his overhaul (i.e. Obamacare-lite - all the great government spending you'd expect, without that nasty tax aftertaste), and is now calling for a clean repeal and to replace it later.
It failed due to not enough kickbacks to hold out states, not due to anyone actually displaying conservative values, though. I will believe it when I see it, but it'd be nice to see Obamacare and the massive Medicaid expansion go away.
A clean repeal of Obamacare - is it possible?!?
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Re: A clean repeal of Obamacare - is it possible?!?
I doubt it. The foot's in the door and millions are convinced they're only alive today thanks to Obamacare.
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Re: A clean repeal of Obamacare - is it possible?!?
No it's not.
However, we can get the most egregious parts.
Step 1, One sentence bill, repeals the unconstitutional individual mandate.
Go ahead Lisa. Go ahead Susan. I dare you to vote against it.
Step 2, one sentence bill, repeal the small business mandade
Step 3, repeals the medical device tax.
Step 4, repeal the tax on comprehensive health plans.
Etc. Don't let anyone hide behind "it's too complicated, or does too much, or doesn't do enough..."
Single sentence bills, gut the thing, and everyone goes on record. Mitch is of course too chicken-shit to do so.
However, we can get the most egregious parts.
Step 1, One sentence bill, repeals the unconstitutional individual mandate.
Go ahead Lisa. Go ahead Susan. I dare you to vote against it.
Step 2, one sentence bill, repeal the small business mandade
Step 3, repeals the medical device tax.
Step 4, repeal the tax on comprehensive health plans.
Etc. Don't let anyone hide behind "it's too complicated, or does too much, or doesn't do enough..."
Single sentence bills, gut the thing, and everyone goes on record. Mitch is of course too chicken-shit to do so.
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Re: A clean repeal of Obamacare - is it possible?!?
Afraid I agree.Jericho941 wrote:I doubt it. The foot's in the door and millions are convinced they're only alive today thanks to Obamacare.
In theory there should be no problem with a clean repeal, there's enough grassroots support for it in the GOP base.
But GOP politicians don't answer to the GOP base. Hostility of their own base isn't the hostility that makes them go weak in the knees, and Obamacare is too big a handout to too many people for it to be repealed without hostility.
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Re: A clean repeal of Obamacare - is it possible?!?
Possible, yes. Probable, no.
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The argument was lost years ago when people don't understand that health care and health insurance are two different things.
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Sssshhhhhh, don't confuse them.scipioafricanus wrote:The argument was lost years ago when people don't understand that health care and health insurance are two different things.
Simply abolishing employer-provided health insurance would undo a great deal of historical fuckery in the health care space. It's a confusing and ridiculous artifact of a way to cheat WW2 era wage and price controls. Transparency and simplicity are usually good goals.
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Re: A clean repeal of Obamacare - is it possible?!?
I've stayed with one job when I should've walked out even without something else lined up because of this stupidity (and had I been single at the time, I would have walked). I know many people in the same situation; working longer than they want to after retirement age, or staying in crappy employment situations just because they can't just call up USAA or whoever and sign up for a health care policy that meets their needs and pay for it directly.Greg wrote:Sssshhhhhh, don't confuse them.scipioafricanus wrote:The argument was lost years ago when people don't understand that health care and health insurance are two different things.
Simply abolishing employer-provided health insurance would undo a great deal of historical fuckery in the health care space. It's a confusing and ridiculous artifact of a way to cheat WW2 era wage and price controls. Transparency and simplicity are usually good goals.
I'm no expert, and could be wrong, but it seems that prices would drop if corp/business subsidized insurance went away and companies had to actually compete for individuals like car, life, house etc. insurance companies do.
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Re: A clean repeal of Obamacare - is it possible?!?
To truly eliminate the market distortion, you'd have to do away with the "pretax dollars" treatment of premiums too, I think. Counting down to torches, pitchforks, bowcasters, and Frankenstein rakes in 5...4...3....
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