Does the revolution begin in Oregon?

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Does the revolution begin in Oregon?

Postby D5CAV » Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:16 pm

Oregon effectively repealed the 2nd Amendment.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07 ... an-helped/

If anyone, distant relative, police officer, etc. can deprive you of your rights, what right do you have?

I'm pretty sure my ex-wife would have pulled this on me during divorce if this law was in effect and I lived in Oregon.

Oregon is a blue state due to Portland, but most of Oregon is pretty red. Even those blue areas outside of Portland are mostly pot growers who elect democrats to legalize weed. These areas already have a healthy disregard to police intervention thanks to 50 years of drug prohibition.

These are the modern moonshiners. So they are going to stand by while po-po rolls up to confiscate their guns? Maybe the first few people "saved" by "Extreme Risk Protection Order" will stand by while po-po takes their guns and ammo. After that it will more dangerous.
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Re: Does the revolution begin in Oregon?

Postby Steamforger » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:10 pm

The easiest, most obvious form of resistance would be to start calling in every politician, state official, protection details, political aides, and any police officers who actually enforce this mess as an "extreme risk."

Force the system to eat itself.

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Re: Does the revolution begin in Oregon?

Postby First Shirt » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:29 pm

Steamforger wrote:The easiest, most obvious form of resistance would be to start calling in every politician, state official, protection details, political aides, and any police officers who actually enforce this mess as an "extreme risk."

Force the system to eat itself.


Exactly! If everyone is a criminal, who's going to enforce the laws?
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Re: Does the revolution begin in Oregon?

Postby MiddleAgedKen » Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:10 pm

Steamforger wrote:The easiest, most obvious form of resistance would be to start calling in every politician, state official, protection details, political aides, and any police officers who actually enforce this mess as an "extreme risk."

Force the system to eat itself.


That would finally get SWATting criminalized...when employed against the nomenklatura and apparatchiks. The Miracle of Selective Enforcement would leave it in effect against us mere kulaks and zeks.
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Re: Does the revolution begin in Oregon?

Postby Jered » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:07 pm

Gotta love how Dems use shady tricks to pass stuff so that you can, "find out what's in it."
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Re: Does the revolution begin in Oregon?

Postby skb12172 » Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:57 pm

Silly gooses, the Only Ones will exempt themselves.
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Re: Does the revolution begin in Oregon?

Postby evan price » Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:28 pm

Will the revolution begin here?
No. Still not enough infringement.
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Postby Kommander » Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:03 am

evan price wrote:Will the revolution begin here?
No. Still not enough infringement.


I really don't see this surving a court challenge. That said there needs to be consequences for politicians who so blatantly disregard the Constitution. I would like to see a law created where if the court system decides a law is unconstitutional the legeslators who voted for it and the executive who signed it get removed and permanently bard from public office.

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Postby First Shirt » Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:59 am

Kommander wrote:I really don't see this surving a court challenge. That said there needs to be consequences for politicians who so blatantly disregard the Constitution. I would like to see a law created where if the court system decides a law is unconstitutional the legeslators who voted for it and the executive who signed it get removed and permanently bard from public office.



I dunno. I'd want tar-and-feathers, or at least bastinado.
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Re: Does the revolution begin in Oregon?

Postby Netpackrat » Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:11 am

First Shirt wrote:
Kommander wrote:I really don't see this surving a court challenge. That said there needs to be consequences for politicians who so blatantly disregard the Constitution. I would like to see a law created where if the court system decides a law is unconstitutional the legeslators who voted for it and the executive who signed it get removed and permanently bard from public office.



I dunno. I'd want tar-and-feathers, or at least bastinado.


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Re: Does the revolution begin in Oregon?

Postby Jered » Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:53 am

Kommander wrote:I really don't see this surving a court challenge. That said there needs to be consequences for politicians who so blatantly disregard the Constitution. I would like to see a law created where if the court system decides a law is unconstitutional the legeslators who voted for it and the executive who signed it get removed and permanently bard from public office.


Do you want a ranger and a paladin for public office, too?

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Re: Does the revolution begin in Oregon?

Postby g-man » Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:40 pm

Yeah, y'all have fun enforcing that one.

Except...

Scenario: I've pissed off a family member (ex, sibling, etc), and they sic the cops on my via this law. Signed ex-parte order in hand, the cops show up at my door. Because I'm law-abiding, I open the door to have a casual conversation with officer friendly. And instead of me telling him to get a warrant and come back... he already has the paperwork he needs. So unless I'm armed ALL THE TIME and prepared at that point to play quick-draw with a police officer in my doorway, my guns are likely now in state custody. So the 'first shot' will likely be the sound of the call-for-fire from the battery of lawyers I'd have to put together since I'd know this was going all the way to the Supremes.

Of course if they're stupid enough to pull this shit, guys #2-N might not be as keen on just letting their guns go, since the balloon would have already gone up.
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Postby MarkD » Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:07 pm

Happened to a guy my wife used to work with, his brother went thru a messy divorce and his soon-to-be-ex-sister-in-law said she was afraid her husband might get a gun from his brother and shoot her, cops came and took EVERYTHING, even his bow and arrows. Cops told him "We're taking them, you'll have to go to court to get them back."

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Re: Does the revolution begin in Oregon?

Postby g-man » Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:29 pm

MarkD wrote:Happened to a guy my wife used to work with, his brother went thru a messy divorce and his soon-to-be-ex-sister-in-law said she was afraid her husband might get a gun from his brother and shoot her, cops came and took EVERYTHING, even his bow and arrows. Cops told him "We're taking them, you'll have to go to court to get them back."


Let me make sure I'm unpacking that correctly:

Guy got guns confiscated. Not because of anything he did other than being siblings with someone who was going through a divorce? Come and take MY guns because my BROTHER'S soon to be EX says HE might get one from me?

F*ck that. Sideways, with a rusty chainsaw running on nitromethane.

Wow.
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Postby MarkD » Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:11 pm

g-man wrote:
MarkD wrote:Happened to a guy my wife used to work with, his brother went thru a messy divorce and his soon-to-be-ex-sister-in-law said she was afraid her husband might get a gun from his brother and shoot her, cops came and took EVERYTHING, even his bow and arrows. Cops told him "We're taking them, you'll have to go to court to get them back."


Let me make sure I'm unpacking that correctly:

Guy got guns confiscated. Not because of anything he did other than being siblings with someone who was going through a divorce? Come and take MY guns because my BROTHER'S soon to be EX says HE might get one from me?

F*ck that. Sideways, with a rusty chainsaw running on nitromethane.

Wow.


Yes, that's exactly what happened.

Welcome to New Jersey.

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Re: Does the revolution begin in Oregon?

Postby scipioafricanus » Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:24 pm

MarkD wrote:
g-man wrote:
MarkD wrote:Happened to a guy my wife used to work with, his brother went thru a messy divorce and his soon-to-be-ex-sister-in-law said she was afraid her husband might get a gun from his brother and shoot her, cops came and took EVERYTHING, even his bow and arrows. Cops told him "We're taking them, you'll have to go to court to get them back."


Let me make sure I'm unpacking that correctly:

Guy got guns confiscated. Not because of anything he did other than being siblings with someone who was going through a divorce? Come and take MY guns because my BROTHER'S soon to be EX says HE might get one from me?

F*ck that. Sideways, with a rusty chainsaw running on nitromethane.

Wow.


Yes, that's exactly what happened.

Welcome to New Jersey.


So depending on how much they all cost, how is that not felony theft?
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Re: Does the revolution begin in Oregon?

Postby skb12172 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:30 am

Have everything elsewhere, except for your immeduate carry items. Never answer the door for the police. They can leave a card and I will call them back.That's the way I've done it when being served divorce papers, etc.

Have backups for your carry items elsewhere. Two is one, one is none.
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Re: Does the revolution begin in Oregon?

Postby Greg » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:47 am

skb12172 wrote:Have everything elsewhere, except for your immeduate carry items. Never answer the door for the police. They can leave a card and I will call them back.That's the way I've done it when being served divorce papers, etc.

Have backups for your carry items elsewhere. Two is one, one is none.


That's not really a practical way to live. Like living in a bomb shelter, might be safer but day to day it really sucks compared to living the regular way.
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Re: Does the revolution begin in Oregon?

Postby g-man » Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:49 am

skb12172 wrote:Have everything elsewhere, except for your immeduate carry items. Never answer the door for the police. They can leave a card and I will call them back.That's the way I've done it when being served divorce papers, etc.

Have backups for your carry items elsewhere. Two is one, one is none.


With the CA requirements for storage, not sure I could do this without renting storage space and locating a second residential storage container there. Or by 'elsewhere' do you just mean 'not in the safe'? Cause it's highly unlikely that the disgruntled soon to be EX in this situation had an inventory sheet...

Also, how does this work for my wife's guns which are co-located in my safe? Especially the heirloom stuff?

The sooner this gets struck down hard, the better. And if it doesn't, that's it boys, last one out lock up.
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Re: Does the revolution begin in Oregon?

Postby Netpackrat » Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:47 am

g-man wrote:With the CA requirements for storage, not sure I could do this without renting storage space and locating a second residential storage container there. Or by 'elsewhere' do you just mean 'not in the safe'? Cause it's highly unlikely that the disgruntled soon to be EX in this situation had an inventory sheet...


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Postby MarkD » Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:33 am

scipioafricanus wrote:
MarkD wrote:
g-man wrote:
MarkD wrote:Happened to a guy my wife used to work with, his brother went thru a messy divorce and his soon-to-be-ex-sister-in-law said she was afraid her husband might get a gun from his brother and shoot her, cops came and took EVERYTHING, even his bow and arrows. Cops told him "We're taking them, you'll have to go to court to get them back."


Let me make sure I'm unpacking that correctly:

Guy got guns confiscated. Not because of anything he did other than being siblings with someone who was going through a divorce? Come and take MY guns because my BROTHER'S soon to be EX says HE might get one from me?

F*ck that. Sideways, with a rusty chainsaw running on nitromethane.

Wow.


Yes, that's exactly what happened.

Welcome to New Jersey.


So depending on how much they all cost, how is that not felony theft?


It's not theft when the government does it.

What, you think subjects, er, citizens of NJ have a right to own guns, or any property for that matter?

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Re: Does the revolution begin in Oregon?

Postby MarkD » Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:55 pm

skb12172 wrote:Have everything elsewhere, except for your immeduate carry items. Never answer the door for the police. They can leave a card and I will call them back.That's the way I've done it when being served divorce papers, etc.

Have backups for your carry items elsewhere. Two is one, one is none.


Hence the need for registration of firearms, they know what you've got, they'll trash your entire house looking for it, and when they don't find it they'll do their best to figure out where it is (or jail you for refusing to tell them).

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Re: Does the revolution begin in Oregon?

Postby g-man » Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:21 pm

MarkD wrote:
skb12172 wrote:Have everything elsewhere, except for your immeduate carry items. Never answer the door for the police. They can leave a card and I will call them back.That's the way I've done it when being served divorce papers, etc.

Have backups for your carry items elsewhere. Two is one, one is none.


Hence the need for registration of firearms, they know what you've got, they'll trash your entire house looking for it, and when they don't find it they'll do their best to figure out where it is (or jail you for refusing to tell them).



Thankfully, since I'll still be active duty the entire time I'm living there, I don't fall under the definition of 'firearms importer', so I have to tell CA DoJ exactly zero. Were I to retire there and stay there, I'd then have to cough up the list. Fat chance any of that happens.
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Re: Does the revolution begin in Oregon?

Postby Weetabix » Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:20 pm

g-man wrote:Were I to retire there and stay there, I'd then have to cough up the list. Fat chance any of that happens.

Plus, I'd be questioning your sanity. :D
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