Precision wrote:MarkD wrote:Vonz90 wrote:Sounds like 10 votes in the Senate - where would the rest of the votes come from? 41 shall issue states - maybe take off one because IL became shall issue by court order- that is roughly 80 votes for.
You're first assuming that the residents (voters) in those shall-issue states CARE if they can carry in NJ, or if NJ residents can carry if they get a Florida OOS license. Second,it's not just about the votes, it's about the politics. The Senators from NY, CA, NJ, etc have a LOT of pull, and of course the Congressmen from those states carry a LOT of votes. "Well, you know Mr Florida Congressman, things would be more likely to go your way on the legislation you want if we could do something about that CCW Reciprocity".
It's irrelevant anyway, even if CCW Recip passes, the aforementioned states will just ignore it. See gun owners who had their flights rerouted to LaGuardia for weather/mechanical issues and were arrested when they picked up their guns at baggage claim, even AFTER FOPA.
A couple weeks ago I bought new wiper blades, and the place offered free installation. I loaned my pocketknife to the mechanic to open the package, and he said he usually carries one but he got pulled over by a cop, the cop asked him if he had guns or knives in the car, he said he had a pocketknife and the cop took it from him, yelled at him for having it, wrote him a ticket and didn't return the knife. Imagine what such a cop will do if he finds someone CCWing?
Currently I do not enter (or fly near) non carry states. It would be nice to NOT HAVE to avoid entire parts of the country. I do care. More importantly, 30-60% of your fellow citizens will be happy to have a Florida OOS and the ability to carry. Give the cops a few illegal arrests and either bubba will disobey an illegal cop siezure, on video or The NRA, SFA... with sue those bastards into submission. Or both.
Look at Philly and their complete fight against open carry within city limits. I think it took three low 6 figure settlements, but now they don't arrest law abiding citizens who choose to open carry. It isn't exactly like GA or TN where I've had cops ask, damn your gun is bigger than mine and that looks more comfortable. What holster is that? Is that comfortable all day? But last time I OC'ed in Philly, I only got a few cop glares.
Well, I REALLY hope you're right, but I suspect not. At the very best (for the rest of the country) the law will get an addendum saying "Except for NY, NJ and CA and whoever else). Medium? The addendum reads "Except for those states that pass a law saying it's not allowed". Worst? NJ State Trooper shoots CCW holder on sight,a dozen of his fellow officers SWEAR on a stack of Bibles the CCW holder drew first, any video to the contrary magically disappears (perhaps along with the owner of said video, so tragic that they committed suicide by shooting themselves four times in the back of the head). Then the usual suspects will jump up and down yelling about what a bad idea reciprocity is. Oh, and Corey Booker uses it as a springboard into the White House.
As for Philly, compares to NYC or LA it's small, and not too far outside is much more rural (and Conservative). I read a story once in one of the gun magzines about a newly minted NYC cop who was on his way home after his shift, in plain clothes. He accidentally flashed his holstered pistol on the subway (jacket was too short to cover it when he reached up to hold the strap) and the next thing he knew he was on his face on the floor with the muzzle of a fellow cop's pistol against his temple, asking him what the fuck he was doing with a gun. The cop who took him down basically told him that he could have been killed, and it would have been his own fault if he had. The newly minted cop of course AGREED with this sentiment, and promised to be more careful in the future.
Last words on the subject: Plenty of NJ politicians get elected on a platform of "taking on the gun lobby". Former NYC Congressman (Harlem) Charlie Rangel regularly put forth legislation to repeal the Second Amendment, saying this is the only way we can ban guns and make our inner cities safe. Lots of cops LIKE being the only ones allowed to carry, they resent any intrusion on what they see as their personal privilege, and they will do anything they can to keep being special.
Like I said, I'd LOVE to see it, and maybe in ten or twelve generations it'll happen.