From the world of socialized medicine...

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I give you...

The woman whose life is "pure hell.", because:
Tessier said she was assured by health officials that the wait time for her procedure was around three months.
Health Minister Terry Lake on Sunday said they have been working to reduce wait times for surgeries around B.C. Last year, an extra $10 million was pumped into the medical system to reduce wait lists, he noted. “(But) we are still not where we want to be,” he said.
And now...the politician moaning about the unfairness of it all...
“I have been hearing about this issue constantly,” she said. “It is a very bad situation. It is completely unfair that people have to wait this long. We have some of the longest waiting times in the developed world.”
But wait...there's more.

If you want a doctor, you can find a doctor. Just kidding.
The Liberal government promised in 2010 to match every patient who wanted a family doctor with a general practitioner. In its 2013 re-election campaign, it allocated $132 million to the program, negotiated with Doctors of B.C., and named it A GP for Me.
But...they didn't meet that. And they squandered $132 million not meeting that.
B.C. Health Minister Terry Lake conceded last year the government would not meet its election promise in 2015.
But wait. If we can't meet our goal, we'll move the goal posts so that it looks like we're DOING SOMETHING.
The Health Ministry wouldn’t say it has “abandoned” its GP for Me target. Instead, it said, it has “broadened” its view of what access to primary care looks like.
“I think we will always strive to ensure that every British Columbian who needs access to primary care obtains access to primary care. You see jurisdiction after jurisdiction facing the same challenge, so we are all shifting the view of primary care.
And now...I give you:

the article saying, "Don't travel abroad for medical care because it's bad."
Among them is Emily Reed, 46, who travelled to Tijuana, Mexico, for weight-loss surgery last year. Reed, who lives in Hythe, Alta., near the B.C. border, said she has lost more than half her body weight in the last 14 months and now fears for her health as her weight continues to decline. She blames the botched surgery for her health issues.
Oh, and your socialized medical system can't figure out what they effed up, either. :roll:
More than 50,000 Canadian medical tourists make such trips every year, according to a report last year from the Fraser Institute. The same report suggested British Columbians are more likely than anyone else in the country to be medical tourists. Common reasons for going outside Canada for medical treatment include long waiting lists at home and high costs for treatments not covered by MSP.
That's a medical service plan.
the Conference Board of Canada reported last year that Canadians spent more than $440 million in 2013 travelling abroad for medical treatment.
Medical tourism entrepreneurs say Canada, despite its socialized health care system, is a market that’s ripe for major growth.
Probably because the socialized medical care sucks.
The study said the estimated extra cost of $560,000 a year to the Alberta health system was an “extremely conservative estimate,” and doesn’t account for long-term care or hospital stays.
B.C.’s Ministry of Health advises against travelling out of Canada for medical treatment.
“All surgeries come with some risk, and people who go abroad could have potentially life-threatening complications, particularly in countries that may not have the regulations or standards that we have in B.C.”
This year, Destination Health is expected to draw thousands of attendees to Ottawa in September, said founder Pablo Castillo. He’s considering holding the 2017 event in B.C.
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Pay attention! Take notes, there will be a quiz on this material later, because this is where we're heading.
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First Shirt wrote:Pay attention! Take notes, there will be a quiz on this material later, because this is where we're heading.
This is right across the border from where I live. Socialized medicine sounds great...until you need the medicine.
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My father died in BC because of the long wait times. He was on a cruise ship headed to Alaska from Seattle with his favorite grandson. Shortly after they left, he suffered a heart attack. The doctors on the ship got him stabilized and he was actually improving. Then they decided to transfer him to the closest hospital (Vancouver) instead of returning to Seattle. After he was transferred by ambulance from the dock to the hospital, it took 3 hours just go get a nurse to re-attach his IV's. It was 8 hours until a doctor actually saw him. By then his body systems were shutting down and it was too late. He died. I consider it negligent homicide. But, we're not allowed to sue the government run system. Oh well, too bad, so sad. Sorry for your loss.

Every time I talk about this my blood pressure spikes. Gotta stop that.
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tfbncc wrote:My father died in BC because of the long wait times. He was on a cruise ship headed to Alaska from Seattle with his favorite grandson. Shortly after they left, he suffered a heart attack. The doctors on the ship got him stabilized and he was actually improving. Then they decided to transfer him to the closest hospital (Vancouver) instead of returning to Seattle. After he was transferred by ambulance from the dock to the hospital, it took 3 hours just go get a nurse to re-attach his IV's. It was 8 hours until a doctor actually saw him. By then his body systems were shutting down and it was too late. He died. I consider it negligent homicide. But, we're not allowed to sue the government run system. Oh well, too bad, so sad. Sorry for your loss.

Every time I talk about this my blood pressure spikes. Gotta stop that.
I'm so sorry. That's so awful it's like the instinctive reaction is 'you can't be serious', but I know you are. I don't know how I would have handled something like that.

When my father had his heart attack, it was 17 minutes from when he called '911' to when they rolled him through the hospital doors straight into cardiology.

Seemed like he barely spent any time in the hospital, and from what he tells me he suffered no permanent damage.

Modern medicine is an ongoing series of miracles. Have to fuck it all up somehow in the cause of making everyone depend on the gov't, for everything.
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tfbncc wrote:My father died in BC because of the long wait times. He was on a cruise ship headed to Alaska from Seattle with his favorite grandson. Shortly after they left, he suffered a heart attack. The doctors on the ship got him stabilized and he was actually improving. Then they decided to transfer him to the closest hospital (Vancouver) instead of returning to Seattle. After he was transferred by ambulance from the dock to the hospital, it took 3 hours just go get a nurse to re-attach his IV's. It was 8 hours until a doctor actually saw him. By then his body systems were shutting down and it was too late. He died. I consider it negligent homicide. But, we're not allowed to sue the government run system. Oh well, too bad, so sad. Sorry for your loss.
I'm really sorry about your dad.

I post stories like this here so that you guys can use them to show people how bad the system in Canada is. People invariably defend it with, "At least it's not the U.S system."

I bet the hospital in Bellingham is closer. In hearing that story, though, I'm amazed at the sheer amount of incompetence involved by all of the health care parties. It sounds like the ambulance crew essentially just dropped him off at the hospital and hoped someone took care of him.

There probably wouldn't be any meaningful consequences for the hospital or any of the staff involved with that level of incompetence, either. From what I've seen in US hospitals, it doesn't seem that we'd expect that level of incompetence, at least not on that scale. All of the medical professionals on the Canadian side from the ambulance crew to the triage nurse to the doctor deserve to be tarred and feathered. Just reading that story makes me mad.

I'd love to hear what Aesop has to say.
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I knew a doctor in... early 2000's I think, who emigrated from Canada to the US just to get away from the health care system there as it was then.

Socialized medicine doesn't seem to work anywhere it's tried.
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Didn't one of their ministers engage in "medical tourism" by heading to the US for her breast cancer treatment?
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I find it amusing (is a schadenfreude kind of way) that the very people I know who cheered Obamacare as a wonderful thing are now complaining about higher premiums and fewer doctors.

Of course I abstain from telling them "I told you so!"

Sometimes.
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Jered wrote:
tfbncc wrote:My father died in BC because of the long wait times. He was on a cruise ship headed to Alaska from Seattle with his favorite grandson. Shortly after they left, he suffered a heart attack. The doctors on the ship got him stabilized and he was actually improving. Then they decided to transfer him to the closest hospital (Vancouver) instead of returning to Seattle. After he was transferred by ambulance from the dock to the hospital, it took 3 hours just go get a nurse to re-attach his IV's. It was 8 hours until a doctor actually saw him. By then his body systems were shutting down and it was too late. He died. I consider it negligent homicide. But, we're not allowed to sue the government run system. Oh well, too bad, so sad. Sorry for your loss.
I'm really sorry about your dad.

I post stories like this here so that you guys can use them to show people how bad the system in Canada is. People invariably defend it with, "At least it's not the U.S system."

I bet the hospital in Bellingham is closer. In hearing that story, though, I'm amazed at the sheer amount of incompetence involved by all of the health care parties. It sounds like the ambulance crew essentially just dropped him off at the hospital and hoped someone took care of him.

There probably wouldn't be any meaningful consequences for the hospital or any of the staff involved with that level of incompetence, either. From what I've seen in US hospitals, it doesn't seem that we'd expect that level of incompetence, at least not on that scale. All of the medical professionals on the Canadian side from the ambulance crew to the triage nurse to the doctor deserve to be tarred and feathered. Just reading that story makes me mad.

I'd love to hear what Aesop has to say.
Depending on the location in the US, that would be either second-degree murder, or voluntary manslaughter by depraved indifference, and the doctor(s), nurse(s), and any ancillary staff involved in such negligence would be looking at the ass end of 10-25 years in penitentiary.

Our standard of care here is door to EKG in 5 minutes, and door to Cardiac Cath Lab in 45 minutes, and we routinely kick that standard's ass and beat it regularly.
If that were a family member of mine, I'd be willing to risk the Canadian justice system in order to eliminate a few members from the Canadian medical system, probably by high-powered firearms, if only for the additional lives it would save.

This one is truly amazing though:
"I have been hearing about this issue constantly,” she said. “It is a very bad situation. It is completely unfair that people have to wait this long. We have some of the longest waiting times in the developed world."
#cantseethenconnection
People have to wait, you feckless, gormless bitch, because you've fucked your system over so soundly it would take rehab by flamethrower just to bring Canada back to practicing first-world medicine again, someday. Maybe.
You can't just wave your goddamned socialist magic fairy wand and wish wait times shorter. You have to spend real money to actually pay for enough staff, nurses, doctors, and hospital beds to be able to effing care for the people who come in the door, and that's anathema to (mis)managed socialist medical care, which is to actual medical care as witch doctors are to real doctors.
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