The Judge Should Be In Prison

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mekender wrote:Publix grocery stores used to have a sign up that said they required identification for tobacco from anyone that looked under 30... If 18 to 30 is that easy to mix up, then 14 to 18 surely is too.
Some places ID up to 40 for things. And, yeah, it seems like everyone between puberty and 25 looks about the same now.

My daughters get upset because people usually think they're much younger than they are. I figure it means I'm doing at least something right.
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Weetabix wrote:
mekender wrote:Publix grocery stores used to have a sign up that said they required identification for tobacco from anyone that looked under 30... If 18 to 30 is that easy to mix up, then 14 to 18 surely is too.
Some places ID up to 40 for things. And, yeah, it seems like everyone between puberty and 25 looks about the same now.

My daughters get upset because people usually think they're much younger than they are. I figure it means I'm doing at least something right.
The flip side happens too:

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Netpackrat wrote:
Flintlock Tom wrote:I can tell from your reaction to this story that you're not going to be able discuss this in a rational way so I'll just say I disagree with you and leave it at that.
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1. (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

Hmm, I must have done it wrong because I was directing my "argument" against the person AND the position.
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Noting that you disagree is not making an argument against a position.
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Kommander wrote:
Jericho941 wrote:How the hell do you mistake 14 for 17?
You haven't been to a high school recently have you?
No, but here's the thing: People have been saying this forever. It's harder to differentiate age with people wildly out of your age group. Yeah, by your late 20s you might have trouble telling teenagers apart, but for actual teenagers, it's really not that hard. A high school graduate oughtta know when he's about to stick it in an 8th grader.

Judge is an asshole, though. The whole purpose of statutory rape laws is to protect minors from adults, not to fight against the tide of teen promiscuity. Rule on the law, not your hangups.
Flintlock Tom wrote:Hmm, I must have done it wrong because I was directing my "argument" against the person AND the position.
Uh, no, you weren't. You were just saying "you're not a rational, sane person so I'm done talking to you." That's not a counterargument, that's a passive-aggressive flounce out of the argument.
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Jericho941 wrote:Yeah, by your late 20s you might have trouble telling teenagers apart, but for actual teenagers, it's really not that hard. A high school graduate oughtta know when he's about to stick it in an 8th grader.
I beg to differ. When I was that age, it was so bad that I literally asked girls for ID when I first met them... I had more than one 14 or 15 year old tell me they were 17 or 18 at a social gathering only to find out a bit later that they were freshmen...
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Jericho941 wrote:...
Flintlock Tom wrote:Hmm, I must have done it wrong because I was directing my "argument" against the person AND the position.
Uh, no, you weren't. You were just saying "you're not a rational, sane person so I'm done talking to you." That's not a counterargument, that's a passive-aggressive flounce out of the argument.
Ouch, you're right. It was a knee-jerk reaction, without proper consideration.
I pray the OP will accept my apology.
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Jericho941 wrote:Judge is an asshole, though.
That's hard to say without more knowledge of what all is involved. Did he have discretion? What are the clear lines for what's OK? I don't know.

I admit I feel sorry for the guy's plight, but that's what the article was designed to achieve - teh feeellllzzzz. Maybe I got suckered.

I'd think that the girl's admitting that she lied should be an extenuating factor, but was 19 on 17 legal? I don't know that either.
The whole purpose of statutory rape laws is to protect minors from adults, not to fight against the tide of teen promiscuity. Rule on the law, not your hangups.
To protect minors from adults, you need to draw a line somewhere, and then stick with it. This guy appears to have crossed the line, in fact.

In statutory rape cases, it might work better to have a table or something. Maybe establish an age of consent and if everyone is over that, then OK. If they're both under, no more than a two (?) year age difference or it's some sort of predation? 18 on 13 would cross lots of lines for me.

No crossing the line allowed? The age of consent has to mean age of consent or it means nothing.
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Flintlock Tom wrote:
Jericho941 wrote:...
Flintlock Tom wrote:Hmm, I must have done it wrong because I was directing my "argument" against the person AND the position.
Uh, no, you weren't. You were just saying "you're not a rational, sane person so I'm done talking to you." That's not a counterargument, that's a passive-aggressive flounce out of the argument.


Ouch, you're right. It was a knee-jerk reaction, without proper consideration.
I pray the OP will accept my apology.
I'm cool. I just couldn't believe you thought 25 years on the list was appropriate. You do realize this means he can't use a computer or smartphone, visit a public park, or pursue his chosen career as a computer programmer until he is 44. How is that appropriate punishment for a misdemeanor? The judge went rogue and hopefully the appeals court will reign him in.
There must be an end to this intimidation by those who come to this great country, but reject its culture.
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Weetabix wrote:
Jericho941 wrote:Judge is an asshole, though.
That's hard to say without more knowledge of what all is involved. Did he have discretion? What are the clear lines for what's OK? I don't know.

I admit I feel sorry for the guy's plight, but that's what the article was designed to achieve - teh feeellllzzzz. Maybe I got suckered.

I'd think that the girl's admitting that she lied should be an extenuating factor, but was 19 on 17 legal? I don't know that either.
The whole purpose of statutory rape laws is to protect minors from adults, not to fight against the tide of teen promiscuity. Rule on the law, not your hangups.
To protect minors from adults, you need to draw a line somewhere, and then stick with it. This guy appears to have crossed the line, in fact.

In statutory rape cases, it might work better to have a table or something. Maybe establish an age of consent and if everyone is over that, then OK. If they're both under, no more than a two (?) year age difference or it's some sort of predation? 18 on 13 would cross lots of lines for me.

No crossing the line allowed? The age of consent has to mean age of consent or it means nothing.
19 and 17 would be legal in Michigan, where this occurred. In Arkansas, she would be legal at 14. It is so arbitrary from state to state. Like gun laws. And arbitrary against men. None of these teachers screwing their male students are getting 25 years.
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