how liberalism violates all 10 Commandments

[blackeagle603]

honestly, not trolling... not wanting this to be a grenade in the room... and realizing the writer's evangelical-ish preamble might make some here bristle (skip to the list of 10 further down the article -- eat the chicken, leave the bones).

Seeing as how the original pre-Letterman 10 Ten list is posted on a wall of the SCOTUS building, it's interesting to see them juxtaposed with core tennents of modern liberalism.

Volumes could be penned on the myriad ways in which the central tenets of liberalism violate each of the Ten Commandments. The following is a much truncated analysis:

The Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17):...

RTWT

[dfwmtx]

So when you come across a non-Christian conservative, what do you do? Do you treat them as fellow conservatives, or do you wish to treat them as apostates?

[Weetabix]

Let's be careful we don't all start bickering here. We're all on the same secular side for the most part with the same ends in mind.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that non-Christian conservatives probably are indistinguishable in behavior from Christian conservatives.

To my way of thinking, the ten commandments are pretty good rules for living effectively whether you believe they came from on high or from old dudes advising young dudes. Life is just all around better if you live within those rules.

[dfwmtx]

We're all on the same secular side for the most part with the same ends in mind.

It's just you gotta watch out when some people turn their secular goals into religious ends. Just because lots of Iranians hated the Shah doesn't mean they wanted Khomeni's theocracy.

And from the article:

At worst, liberalism denies the very existence of God in the forms of atheism and secularism

So I'm guessing that the article's author doesn't like our secular government either. Fact is, the US has a secular government, even if those within it are inspired to do what they do by religious motivations.

To my way of thinking, the ten commandments are pretty good rules for living effectively whether you believe they came from on high or from old dudes advising young dudes. Life is just all around better if you live within those rules.

Yes, 5-10 are generally good rules to live by, but 1-4 are pretty much religious dictates. You can make an argument about #4 being a good idea to make sure folks get a day off for rest & religious observance if you want.

[Kommander]

Bah, everyone knows there were actually 15 commandments and Moses was a klutz. The article also screams "no true scotsman" by refusing to acknowledge that a person could be both a liberal and a christian.

[blackeagle603]

...or at least a thinking Christian.


re: the first 4 commandments
Yep, the first 4 are in the vertical relationship and the last 6 are with regard to the horizontal relationships.


getting past the knickers in a knot reaction to the writer's religious views, the point of this was a ponder about where civilization values, failings and strengths come from.

In some (large?) part these link to first principles of western civ and help understand why socialism/liberalism is always a train wreck, why cows have right of way over urban commerce in India while people starve, etc.

[Kommander]

Just remember that for most of western civilizations existence their adherence to the ten commandments could often be described as flexible, even for religious leaders.

[Vonz90]

The first one is the important one. Everything else flows from it.

It is also the one Progressives screw up inherntly. That is the case because they worship the state.

[blackeagle603]

...That is the case because they worship the state.

...as well as themselves.

Which manifests then in their denial of the bad lurking in each of us. From there it's a short trip to joining Rosseau in his delusionalb belief in the perfectibility of man. Which by extension probably explains their worship of "education."

[Aglifter]

Fact is, the US has a secular government, even if those within it are inspired to do what they do by religious motivations.

OK, so I don' know where this keeps coming from, but, as any honest lawyer will tell you, the US DOES NOT HAVE A SECULAR GOVERNMENT.

NEVER HAS.

There has NEVER BEEN "separation of church and state" in the US legal system. There IS Freedom of Religion - these are not the same thing.

Congress ALWAYS opens w. a prayer, as does the SCOTUS, and most of your local governmental meetings.