107 Year Old Man Shoots It Out With The Cops

[skb12172]

CNN) -- A man who police said was 107 years old, was killed in a confrontation with SWAT officers.
Police were called to a home in Pine Bluff, where suspect Monroe Isadore was Saturday evening.
"When they arrived, they were able to determine that an aggravated assault had occurred against two people at the residence," said Lt. David E. Price, a Pine Bluff police spokesman.
The two victims were led out of the house.
When officers approached the bedroom where Isadore was hiding, he fired through the door, authorities said.
None of the police officers were hit by the gunfire. They retreated to a safer area and called for additional help, including SWAT officers who started negotiations with the suspect.
SWAT officers slipped a camera into the room where the suspect was holed up and saw he was armed with a handgun, Price said.
After unsuccessful negotiations, officers slipped gas into the room through a bedroom window, he said, and Isadore fired rounds at them.
The officers broke the bedroom door and hurled in a distraction device, and Isadore fired at them again, according to the spokesman.
Officers returned fire, killing him.
It's unclear what distraction device was used. No more information was immediately available. CNN called the police department, but could not reach anyone.
In 2010, there were about 53,000 people over age 100 in the United States, according to the latest Census numbers. A majority of those -- 92% -- were between ages 100 to 104.

Dayum!

[308Mike]

Suicide by cop?

[skb12172]

That's what I wondered. Selfish thing to do, hanging that on some random cop.

[mekender]

On another forum some are arguing that the police should have waited him out... Here is my reply and my thoughts:

Here is the thing, it seems to me like the police in this case did a hell of a lot to ensure that they did not have to shoot this guy.

From the link posted:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update ... team-video

But when police approached the door of the bedroom where Isadore was believed to be, he opened fire through the door. No officers were injured, and the officers called for support.

Which means they backed off, called it in as an agitated, barricaded suspect and brought in the negotiation unit (SWAT). The goal of which is to end the situation without anyone getting hurt. Police dont go to work wanting to shoot anyone any more than you and I carry because we want to.

By inserting a camera into the room, the SWAT team determined that Isadore was armed. When Isadore refused to surrender his weapon, the SWAT team pumped gas into the room. Isadore responded with gunfire, according to multiple reports.

Here is what my guess is, they saw him on camera acting erratically and quite possibly acting in ways that made them believe he would harm himself and/or try to harm others. So the decision was made to use gas to try to prevent that from happening and resolve the situation peacefully. When he started shooting as a response to that, it became evident that the situation was not going to be resolved peacefully any longer.

Then:

At that point, the SWAT team entered the room. "Shortly afterwards, a S.W.A.T. entry team, inside the residence, breached the door to the bedroom and threw a distraction device into the bedroom," the police report says. "Isadore then began to fire on the entry team and the entry team engaged Isadore, killing him."

Again, the "distraction device" is an attempt to resolve the situation without serious harm to anyone involved including the suspect. When that failed, the situation was at a point where you had an armed suspect opening fire on police officers, which is historically a great way to get shot.

The suspect in this case had MULTIPLE chances to resolve this situation without anyone being harmed. The fact is, he chose a path that led to his being shot. I suspect that is because he wanted to be shot by police instead of killing himself.

[skb12172]

You guys know that I'm very cynical, and often critical, of how SWAT teams are used nowadays. However, from the information we have, I think the police were remarkably restrained in their actions. Part of that might have been the fact that they knew they were dealing with such an old man, but I can't find any blame.

[Aesop]

Meh.

This is a null example of police overreaction, which was non-existant here. Frankly, had they, for instance, tased his dumb ass, or beanbagged him into submission, and he'd then had a cardiac arrest or stroke or suchlike, they'd be on the hook even worse.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

I'm just mildly curious what Mr. Crakypants had going on that he thought he could solve by shooting at people, or whether this was just a case of senility, coupled with access to a handgun. Maybe, for instance, someone else in his immediate family just needed shooting.

[skb12172]

Good questions. My only reason for posting this is the novelty of his age.

[Jericho941]

I'm just mildly curious what Mr. Crakypants had going on that he thought he could solve by shooting at people, or whether this was just a case of senility, coupled with access to a handgun. Maybe, for instance, someone else in his immediate family just needed shooting.

Frustrated with his inability to die of natural causes?

[McClarkus]

The longer it goes on, the more likely it will end peacefully. At 107, what have you got to lose?

[D5CAV]

Local report: http://www.thv11.com/news/article/27884 ... -with-SWAT

I disagree. I'll go so far as to use a term I've seen used here: RCOB.

Another reason SWAT teams should be disbanded.

This guy posed no threat to society. A 107 year old man probably needed some kind of assistance anyway. He would eventually have called and reconciled with his housemates.

I travel internationally. I never see as much in-your-face police presence as in the US, even in the "police state" of PRC. Perhaps we should ask Dennis Rodman about the level of police presence in NOK. They might give us a run for the money.

http://ericpetersautos.com/2013/09/07/profiles-pork/

These SWAT teams escalate any encounter to force compliance up to and including lethal force.

This board is called "The Gun Counter", so I assume most of the members own guns. Anyone who thinks this is OK may as well sell all their guns while they still can get some cash for them. Within the next 10 years, you will all be Isadore Monroes unless you meekly hand over your guns when the SWAT team knocks on your door.

Oh yes, it will be a SWAT team. Probably with a couple of MRAPs around your house. Every one of you who has ever purchased a weapon on a 4473.

I went on a hike in a state park recently. The prior dozen times I've been in the park, the closing time was 8pm. The park ranger who took my entrance fee at the gate neglected to inform me that they changed the closing time to 7pm.

Anyway, my hiking group gets back to my truck at 7:30pm. There are six park police with three park police trucks in a "tactical stop" around my truck. Yes, I know what it is. There is one park police officer at the back of my truck calling in my plate while writing my citation. He tells me they changed the closing time for the park a week ago and that it "was posted on a sign on the way in". Yeah, a little brown painted sign with little yellow letters.

So either they called in my plate, found I was a CCW holder and called for assistance, or a "tactical stop" with 6 park police officers is SOP for someone half hour late exiting a state park. Either scenario is disturbing.

Ask yourselves what your line in the sand is. Isadore Monroe did.