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Companies boycotting anti-gun NY

Postby mekender » Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:26 pm

http://www.ncgunblog.com/new-york-boycott/

New York Boycott Participants:


LaRue Tactical 2-8-13
Olympic Arms 2-12-13
Extreme Firepower Inc, LLC (Per EFI, policy is several years old)
Templar Custom 2-13-13
York Arms 2-13-13
Cheaper Than Dirt 2-15-13
Bullwater Enterprises 2-16-13
West Fork Armory 2-16-13
Smith Enterprise 2-17-13
Alex Arms 2-17-13
Spike’s Tactical 2-18-13
Quality Arms Idaho 2-19-13
Liberty Suppressors 2-19-13
Doublestar Corp 2-19-13
American Spirit Arms 2-19-13 (complete with a video!)
Trident Armory 2-17-13 (reported to me 2-20-13)
Head Down Products 2-20-13
J&G Sales 2-20-13
Barrett Firearms 2-20-13
Exile Machine 2-20-13
Tier One Arms 2-15-13 (reported to me 2-20-13)
Bravo Company USA 2-20-13
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Postby blackeagle603 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:42 pm

How can we help accelerate this trend?

How do we get more and bigger players to join in this like they did with the Gunshow promoter recently. What's it going to take to get the big boys like S&W, Glock, Savage, FN, Remington, et al on the list?

Get enough of them on this list and we in the other 49 states can boycott the short list of suppliers that continue to do business with NY .gov.
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Re: Companies boycotting anti-gun NY

Postby Rumpshot » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:39 pm

Colorado has gone on the list for some of these folks too. I think Kali is on more than Barrett's list also.
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Postby mekender » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:03 pm

blackeagle603 wrote:How can we help accelerate this trend?

How do we get more and bigger players to join in this like they did with the Gunshow promoter recently. What's it going to take to get the big boys like S&W, Glock, Savage, FN, Remington, et al on the list?

Get enough of them on this list and we in the other 49 states can boycott the short list of suppliers that continue to do business with NY .gov.


http://www.grnc.org/grnc-alerts-archive ... ent-rights

• Send the following letter to SIG, Smith & Wesson, and Glock and ask them to follow LaRue Tactical’s lead. Tell them to adopt the same rule: If it can’t be sold to citizens, it won’t be sold to State and local government.

• Go to LaRue Tactical’s Facebook page and thank them for standing up for your Second Amendment rights: http://www.facebook.com/LaRueAccuracy#! ... 9683721877


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Cut and paste email list: publicsafetysales@sigsauer.com, dgrier@smith-wesson.com, LE.info@glock.us


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Suggested Subject: If it’s illegal for us, don’t sell it to police!


Dear Law Enforcement Sales Manager,

Recently New York rushed an ill-advised and unconstitutional law infringing on the rights of law-abiding gun owners. Other states are poised to write similar laws. I urge you to follow the lead of LaRue Tactical which has adopted this policy: If it can’t be sold to law-abiding citizens, it won’t be sold to state and local police agencies either.

There are 800,000 sworn police officers in the entire United States. The FBI reports a total of 2,495,440 NICS checks, and thus firearms sales, in January alone. Police sales are not your major business. It’s time for firearm manufacturers to send a clear message that you will not participate in the slow erosion of our Second Amendment rights.

(NICS numbers Source http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/r ... totals.pdf)


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Postby rightisright » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:28 pm

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Re: Companies boycotting anti-gun NY

Postby scipioafricanus » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:45 pm

Glock is the big pony I want to see in the race. Then LEO might take notice.

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Postby Aglifter » Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:25 pm

Glock and HK will never be able to do something like that - nor will Sig. Euro arms companies exist by begging their existence from their home companies.

Now that CH has also fallen to the Commies, none of them can risk coming off as anti-state.
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Postby mekender » Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:59 pm

From CTD

"We appreciate the CTD community’s thoughts on this issue. There are currently (1:00 p.m. CDT Saturday) almost 300 additional comments awaiting moderation, and the 550+ public and pending comments overwhelmingly support the idea of companies enacting state-level sales restrictions on agencies.

Sometime next week, I’ll forward the link to this blog item to the PR contacts at NSSF and NRA and ask them to consider promoting the policy officially.

If you learn of other companies which decide to participate, please post a link to their online sales statements here in the comments section.

If you operate a personal or business Facebook page, please consider adding this blog url to your feed. If you aren’t on Facebook, please forward the story link to some of your friends or fellow shooters via email.

If you can take a minute, please consider writing words of encouragement to the companies who’ve taken the bold step to restrict state-level agency sales. As this effort grows, there will be media and political blowback, and a kind word to the firms on the tip of the spear would be helpful.

Also, when I was updating the company list last night, I referenced “An NC Gun Blog,” http://www.ncgunblog.com/new-york-boycott/. Hat tip to them.

NC Gun Blog added another company today, Bullwater Enterprises. Find Bullwater’s statement here: http://www.facebook.com/andrew.orphanou ... 6806241664

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Postby randy » Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:34 pm

Aglifter wrote:Glock and HK will never be able to do something like that - nor will Sig. Euro arms companies exist by begging their existence from their home companies.


I don't know how much operational independence the US subsidiaries have from their parent companies, but the home office types certainly would not understand the concept of holding Agents of The State to the same standards as the peasants.

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Re: Companies boycotting anti-gun NY

Postby Aglifter » Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:45 pm

They can't be permitted that level of autonomy. Euros are - well, frankly, stupid about most things aside from some aspects of food and privacy - but bizarre when it comes to weapons.

Its part of that "nobless oblige" stuff, I think. Mostly, they are perfectly comfortable with the idea that only the "rich" or "connected" can carry arms - combined with the hatred the English have of anyone above peasant, and you get the Urban English attitude (Country English are great folks - but they need to toss the cities out of their country.)

The French, from what I've seen, are bizarre - socially, they seem to have no problem with wealth, but politically, they hate it - again, it might be a Parisian thing - I only knew a few people from Paris, and only got along w. one - and her family was Indian.

Again, country French can be a great deal of fun - and French Farm girls can cook...
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Postby blackeagle603 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:05 am

If we can get a couple biggies on the list then we call can focus our business with them and "Smith & Wesson" the other ones who keep selling to LEO's NY state. Remember the recalibration S&W learned from in the 90's. We can do this/shame those who remain. This is the sort of thing social media works for us with.
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Postby mekender » Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:36 am

Looks like Midway USA has joined in... No official statement yet though.
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Postby Termite » Sun Feb 17, 2013 2:36 am

mekender wrote:Looks like Midway USA has joined in... No official statement yet though.

Oooohoooo.......Larry Potterfield is a "heavy".
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Postby Rod » Sun Feb 17, 2013 2:53 am

Kind of funny Cheaper Than Dirt is involved after the Sandy Hook fiasco. Think someone at company headquarters said, "Let's see if this will get some of our customers back.?
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Postby Netpackrat » Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:32 am

Rod wrote:Kind of funny Cheaper Than Dirt is involved after the Sandy Hook fiasco. Think someone at company headquarters said, "Let's see if this will get some of our customers back.?


CTD probably doesn't have a huge amount of law enforcement sales anyway. Whatever the reason, we'll take it.
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Postby Highspeed » Sun Feb 17, 2013 1:45 pm

Termite wrote:
mekender wrote:Looks like Midway USA has joined in... No official statement yet though.

Oooohoooo.......Larry Potterfield is a "heavy".


Going by the instructional videos he posts on the Midway site and You Tube he's a also a HIGHLY skilled gunsmith.
Which isn't really relevant but impresses the hell out of me... ;)
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Postby skb12172 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:28 pm

Sent...so CTD is trying to win their way back into our hearts and minds? We'll see. I'll be watching them for awhile before I decide they have learned their lesson.
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Postby blackeagle603 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:36 pm

so CTD is trying to win their way back into our hearts and minds?


better to be feared than loved. Figuring out which side your bread is buttered on is a good thing. Showing capacity to learn and adjust behavoir is a good thing.

They're in time out with me for some time to come but let's see if they stay the course.
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Postby Langenator » Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:25 pm

If Midway's in, I wonder if Brownell's will follow suit?

Not sure how much of the LEO market they have, especially in NY, where the NYPD is probably at least 50% of the market all by itself and uses Glocks, but S&W would probably be most vulnerable to customer pressure, since they're US based.

The other companies that aren't being looked at much yet are ammo suppliers. If they cut off states like NJ that don't allow JHPs for citizens, that might get attention, too.
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Postby Precision » Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:01 pm

Langenator wrote:
The other companies that aren't being looked at much yet are ammo suppliers. If they cut off states like NJ that don't allow JHPs for citizens, that might get attention, too.


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Postby blackeagle603 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:28 pm

Smith Enterprises joins the list.
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Postby 308Mike » Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:31 am

I'd much prefer to see these companies refuse to do business with GOVERNMENTAL entities in those states which enact such laws, rather than punish all those gun owners. OTOH, what better way to chastise those folks who put those idiot politicians in office in the first place!

So, I have mixed feelings on them no longer doing business with residents of those numbnut states.
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Langenator wrote:If Midway's in, I wonder if Brownell's will follow suit?


I expect they might... Pete Brownell is not a dumb guy and knows where his bread and butter comes from.
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Postby blackeagle603 » Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:57 am

Mike,
If I'm understanding this, they aren't boycotting state just refusing to sell anything in the state that 'Average Joe on the street' isn't allowed to buy.
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blackeagle603 wrote:Mike,
If I'm understanding this, they aren't boycotting state just refusing to sell anything in the state that 'Average Joe on the street' isn't allowed to buy.


Where's the Thumb's-UP smiley? 8-) ;) ;) :P :P If that's true.
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Postby Netpackrat » Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:32 am

I was reading Gabe Suarez' forum a while back (well before Newtown), and some LEO inquired on the open forum, about purchasing a weapon that was banned in his state, through the auspices of his department. Gabe told the guy in no uncertain terms, that he would not be selling him or any other LEO anything, that an ordinary gun owner wasn't allowed to buy in his jurisdiction. I don't always agree with how he runs his business, but he's been on the right side of this issue for some time.
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Postby PawPaw » Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:11 am

mekender wrote:Looks like Midway USA has joined in... No official statement yet though.


I was just blogging this, and went to MidwayUSA to look for a statement. I didn't find anything on their website or facebook page, so I wrote a note to Larry. Maybe someone will see it and consider it.
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mekender wrote:Looks like Midway USA has joined in... No official statement yet though.


Whoa. Really? Cite?
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Postby workinwifdakids » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:57 am

Doublestar just announced same.

Mekender: can you keep your top post updated?
And mods, can we get a temp sticky on this?
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Yeah, this needs to become (my) preferred vendor list -- get first look before ordering anything.
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Looks like Armalite stepped on their own dick. Via Unc: http://armaborealis.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... ement.html

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Postby Aglifter » Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:53 pm

I can see their thought processes for doing business with departments which support the RTKBA - we don't nec. want to drive them onto the opponents side.

I don't agree with selling LEOs private weapons, which aren't legal for civilian ownership - frankly, I'd be a bit suspect of the legality of such a policy, even if a law might state that it was OK. (A soldier, acting in a war, under orders, has special protections, etc under the law - hence why "friendly fire" deaths happen, rather than being manslaughter cases. TMK, there is no basis for a LEO having any kind of special power, other than the ability to arrest for misdemeanors/issue fines.)
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Postby blackeagle603 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:58 pm

baloney. trying to have their cake and eat it -- all while saying LEO and ex-LEO's like me are different class of citizen.
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Postby mekender » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:43 pm

workinwifdakids wrote:Doublestar just announced same.

Mekender: can you keep your top post updated?
And mods, can we get a temp sticky on this?


I will try... the link I posted is run by a guy I know, Sean... He is updating his post regularly... I have been in contact with him several times in the last 2 weeks to ensure that things are getting updated on his blog. So, for the most reliable info, check his site.
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Postby Kommander » Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:05 pm

Just got an email from J&G stating that they are now on the bandwagon.

"Effective immediately, laws that restrict firearms, ammunition, or magazine possession by law abiding citizens will also be applied to state and local law enforcement and government agencies in that jurisdiction. All residents will be treated equally. Honorable citizens, law enforcement personnel, and government agents, should all be allowed to utilize the most effective defensive equipment available."

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Postby mekender » Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:49 pm

Ayup, 3 more added today
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Sticky applied. Just remember it'll only show up at the top when this category is selected, not on the "View active topics" list.
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STATEMENT FROM RONNIE BARRETT:

Barrett’s Position Regarding the Assault on Liberty

February 20, 2013

Barrett opposes those who are illegally disarming the American public from their efficient arms and creating superior armed elitist government agencies.

Elected state officials of New York, having been sworn to protect our Constitution, have instead committed an offense against it and their citizens by stripping inalienable rights duly protected and guaranteed under the Second Amendment. By their deliberate and sinister actions, these officials now cause their state and local policing agencies to enforce these unconstitutional and illegal so called “laws”.

By current law, Barrett cannot be an accomplice with any lawbreaker, therefore, cannot and will not service or sell to New York government agencies. Barrett also applies this stance to the individual elected official who, as a matter of public record, has voted for or created regulation that violates the constitutional rights of their citizens. This is an expansion of our 2002 ban against the California government due to their Second Amendment infringements, and shall apply to any future violators.

In the course of world history there have been officials that strip inalienable rights from the people that were given to all by our Creator. Most of these officials inevitably come to trial, some do not.

Intentionally violating constitutional rights by officials that have sworn to uphold them should have severe prison sentences.

With the clear vision of horrible events in history repeating itself, all manufacturers of firearms or related equipment remaining in partnership with such violators should have a respectable fear of being found with the guilty on their day of trial.

During this era of assault on liberty, Barrett will remain steadfast in our efforts to serve law-abiding citizens of all fifty states, and stands together with you in the struggles we will fight and win.

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Ronnie Barrett is still da man.
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308Mike wrote:Sticky applied. Just remember it'll only show up at the top when this category is selected, not on the "View active topics" list.

Thank you, Mike!

Netpackrat wrote:Ronnie Barrett is still da man.

Absolutely! I don't speak for Colorado and New York, but I know that I and so many others were overjoyed when Mr. Barrett made his announcement about California. We really felt like someone got it, that someone was finally sticking up for us. I can't wait to see who else joins up!
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Postby Rod » Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:17 am

Gonna be fun if the ammo companies start chiming in. I'd hope all of the companies would say they're stopping all sales to ALL law enforcement, including the feds. And they excluded the military from the boycott.
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3 more added!!!
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Postby Cybrludite » Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:23 pm

Stoner Arms as well.

Stoner Arms is a small business that believes in capitalism, the Bill Of Rights and is of the belief that without the Second Amendment, none of the other amendments are possible.

In light of the recent and numerous anti-gun and anti-2nd Amendment laws pending across the Nation, Stoner Arms will be joining other firearms manufacturers and distributors and limiting the business conducted in states that have passed laws limiting the right to keep and bear arms for their citizens.

Stoner Arms believes that there should not be any difference between the rights of citizens and the rights of government employees. Our policy will also help us to be sure we avoid the consequences of not conforming with the anti-firearm regulations in these various jurisdictions and exposing the company to litigation or criminal prosecution.

Stoner Arms does expect to lose some revenue by making this decision, however, it is essential to defend the US Constitution by making a statement about the importance of the Second Amendment in maintaining all our freedoms, not just the ones that many of these politicians do not agree with.

Stoner Arms will welcome the day when all law abiding citizens will be able to possess the most effective means and tools available for self-defense, regardless of where they live or for whom they work.


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Postby workinwifdakids » Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:21 am

CMMG is on! And HERE is a big fat list, too, that promises to keep updated.
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Postby Cybrludite » Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:22 am

Verification on Midwayusa.com. Seems this has been their policy.

https://twitter.com/MidwayUSA/status/305002597801156608
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workinwifdakids wrote:CMMG is on! And HERE is a big fat list, too, that promises to keep updated.


I am pretty sure that site is run by the same people that run TTAG...
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Seems Beretta is raising some Hell too. Moving out of Maryland is a possibility.
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Beretta's counsel is my kind of lawyer:

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Postby Precision » Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:38 pm

Cybrludite wrote:Verification on Midwayusa.com. Seems this has been their policy.

https://twitter.com/MidwayUSA/status/305002597801156608



an email I got from them

Thanks for your email inquiry. Because of the snowstorm that swept through our area last week and our staff being unable to get to work we’re running about three to four days behind on emails. I’m sorry for the delay in responding.



Neither Larry Potterfield, nor MidwayUSA as a company, has issued any statements or made any changes regarding policies about selling to government entities.
However, it has always been our policy not to sell or ship products to areas that have passed laws prohibiting such activity, and there are no exceptions dependent on the type of Customer.
If you have any additional questions or comments, please feel free to contact us at 1-800-243-3220. Our hours of operation are Monday through Friday 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. CT. You may also email us at customerservice@midwayusa.com.

Thanks for Your Business!

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Not sure if the second line is a weasel or if it is stating that (example) they don't / haven't / won't sell 30 round mags to cops in NJ because citizens can't have them.
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Postby Denis » Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:21 pm

Precision wrote:Not sure if the second line is a weasel or if it is stating that (example) they don't / haven't / won't sell 30 round mags to cops in NJ because citizens can't have them.


I think Mr Potterfield knows on which side his bread is buttered. His business is online retail, not supplying state agencies. I understand the reply to mean that if citizens can't legally buy something, he won't sell it to the authorities either.

On a related note, Kudos to a Wyoming polititician who speaks plainly about freedom, including the freedom to live somewhere else :shock: (Hat tip to Bayou Renaissance Man.)

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Postby dfwmtx » Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:15 am

So, do any of these companies have .gov or .mil contracts that might be upset by such a boycott?
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dfwmtx wrote:So, do any of these companies have .gov or .mil contracts that might be upset by such a boycott?


Beretta does...ish. I'm not sure if they're still manufacturing the M9 or whether the numbers have been filled.

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Postby JKosprey » Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:32 am

I regret that I haven't been able to attend any of the rallies against this law yet...planning on making one that's coming up this week. But I should note as a resident of upstate NY that the public backlash against this bullshit law has been virtually universal outside of the NYC area. It's quite spectacular.

I've now been told by several different cops, from Sheriffs to Conservation Officers to State Troopers that they have no intention of enforcing this law in any way. I haven't heard from more than just a few people that intend to comply with registration. I didn't hear from a single person in my reserve unit that agreed with this law. Even if this somehow gets upheld in the courts, it's going to be a giant clusterf*ck of a nightmare.

I don't like NY. I don't like the government here, and I'm growing to hate the cold more and more every year. I don't intend to stay past earning my degree. But I'm kinda proud to be a New Yorker right now, because we ARE fighting this.

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Postby Precision » Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:58 pm

JKosprey wrote:I regret that I haven't been able to attend any of the rallies against this law yet...planning on making one that's coming up this week. But I should note as a resident of upstate NY that the public backlash against this bullshit law has been virtually universal outside of the NYC area. It's quite spectacular.

I've now been told by several different cops, from Sheriffs to Conservation Officers to State Troopers that they have no intention of enforcing this law in any way. I haven't heard from more than just a few people that intend to comply with registration. I didn't hear from a single person in my reserve unit that agreed with this law. Even if this somehow gets upheld in the courts, it's going to be a giant clusterf*ck of a nightmare.

I don't like NY. I don't like the government here, and I'm growing to hate the cold more and more every year. I don't intend to stay past earning my degree. But I'm kinda proud to be a New Yorker right now, because we ARE fighting this.

I fought and voted with my feet over a decade ago. In my best year up in NYC, I made $125k in salary (bonus got swindled by the bosses drug addiction). I left with very little to show for that. Fed taxes, state taxes, city taxes, my half of the rent $1600...

I make WAY less now but have much more to show for it.

AND I have a gun safe with lots of boomsticks in it... and the only thing I really miss is decent Indian food.
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Aglifter wrote:I can see their thought processes for doing business with departments which support the RTKBA - we don't nec. want to drive them onto the opponents side.

I don't agree with selling LEOs private weapons, which aren't legal for civilian ownership - frankly, I'd be a bit suspect of the legality of such a policy, even if a law might state that it was OK. (A soldier, acting in a war, under orders, has special protections, etc under the law - hence why "friendly fire" deaths happen, rather than being manslaughter cases. TMK, there is no basis for a LEO having any kind of special power, other than the ability to arrest for misdemeanors/issue fines.)


:jacked: I wonder if Dorner bought any weapon used in his murder rampage through one of those loophole laws? That's a real loophole and one I could get behind closing. Sting the company for selling to LEO as an individual something not purchaseable by a non-LEO in the state? I usually don't like that, but it might get more names on the "won't sell prohibited stuff to LEO in Cali" list. I wonder who will represent the two non-LEO murdered in the wrongful death suit against LAPD? There is an opportunity here if it can be played right.
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Windy Wilson wrote:I wonder if Dorner bought any weapon used in his murder rampage through one of those loophole laws?


That asshole (I will not use his name) stole his mother's guns then shot her in the face. That doesn't sound like a loophole to me.

As a matter of fact, there are no "loophole" laws. The govt makes the laws and we figure a work-around that is perfectly legal and in total compliance with the laws that they poorly wrote. There is no magazine loophole, there is no gun-show loophole, there are no loopholes at all. If they write the law and we figure a way around it, how is that a loophole? We're in complete and total compliance with the law THE WAY THEY WROTE IT.

Don't talk to me about loopholes. That's complete and utter bullshit.
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PawPaw wrote:
Windy Wilson wrote:I wonder if Dorner bought any weapon used in his murder rampage through one of those loophole laws?


That asshole (I will not use his name) stole his mother's guns then shot her in the face. That doesn't sound like a loophole to me.

Dorner was the ex-LEO shooting other LEOs in Kali, not the kid in NJ that shot up the school.
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I'll use quotation marks when I'm speaking ironically.
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Windy Wilson wrote:I wonder if Dorner bought any weapon used in his murder rampage through one of those loophole laws?


That asshole (I will not use his name) stole his mother's guns then shot her in the face. That doesn't sound like a loophole to me.

Dorner was the ex-LEO shooting other LEOs in Kali, not the kid in NJ that shot up the school.

Yeah, you're right. I screwed the Pooch on that one.
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PawPaw wrote:
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PawPaw wrote:
Windy Wilson wrote:I wonder if Dorner bought any weapon used in his murder rampage through one of those loophole laws?


That asshole (I will not use his name) stole his mother's guns then shot her in the face. That doesn't sound like a loophole to me.

Dorner was the ex-LEO shooting other LEOs in Kali, not the kid in NJ that shot up the school.

Yeah, you're right. I screwed the Pooch on that one.


Aw, don't worry about it, I would have been clearer had I used quotes around "Loophole".
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From that list I have a lot of thank you letters to write.

And a thought. These laws came up so fast, in the midst of hypocritical pleas to not politicize the deaths. The Communist thugs (No more gentle epithet fits) were hoping that Sandy Hook Elementary would be their Dunblane, and everyone was well-trained enough to turn everything in, even if it didn't currently fall under their new ban, just because it was "for the children"

--If you define "children" as those people in govenment who control or want to control everything.

Sandy Hook is the equivalent of some Government official wanting to pass laws to take my car because some drunk on Interstate 90 plowed into a bus full of school children, launching it over a cliff and there was another auto accident with fatalities earlier in Colorado.
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Termite wrote:
PawPaw wrote:
Windy Wilson wrote:I wonder if Dorner bought any weapon used in his murder rampage through one of those loophole laws?


That asshole (I will not use his name) stole his mother's guns then shot her in the face. That doesn't sound like a loophole to me.

Dorner was the ex-LEO shooting other LEOs in Kali, not the kid in NJ that shot up the school.


IIRC, he claimed to have obtained at least one full auto using a false address in NV for the NFA paperwork.
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Postby toad » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:30 pm

In Colorado the Californicators are problably going to cause Mapul to leave the state. They display no remorse what so ever at losing the jobs and tax revenue as long as they make their base of Californicator voters happy. Frankly unless they have all died off, I'd be somewhat afraid of those rural area Colorado pro gun types if I were they.

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Postby free_me » Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:37 pm

308Mike wrote:I'd much prefer to see these companies refuse to do business with GOVERNMENTAL entities in those states which enact such laws, rather than punish all those gun owners. OTOH, what better way to chastise those folks who put those idiot politicians in office in the first place!

So, I have mixed feelings on them no longer doing business with residents of those numbnut states.


My thoughts exactly.


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