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Moore or Less in Alabama?

Postby Vonz90 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:29 pm

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2 ... senate.php

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/45 ... y-make-him

A couple views on this, I have not seen much on the board here about him.

Obviously, I have no idea if the allegations about him are true or not, but they due seem to ring a bit and the way he hedges his denial seem suspicious to me. Balance that against the fact that I think he is a poor choice on a bunch of levels so I am ill disposed to him anyway.

I would rather he drop out since this should be a gimme election for any other Republican. If I was a resident though, I would probably pull the lever for him anyway under the assumption that he would not serve and be replaced by someone appointed by the Governor. Better that than a Dem for the balance of the term.

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Re: Moore or Less in Alabama?

Postby Termite » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:52 am

Whenever allegations of sexual offenses that are this old start surfacing, my BS meter starts chirping. It's not like Moore hasn't held political office in the past, so why didn't the allegations come up before now. Oh wait, he's a sure vote for a lot of Trump's idea in the US Senate.
Add to that the fact that the Washington Post reporters looked up the women, and not vise versa. PLUS, Gloria Allred has stuck her mug in the fray.

I'm not saying that Moore didn't did or do the things he is being accused of, I'm just saying the timing and situation is very suspect.

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Re: Moore or Less in Alabama?

Postby scipioafricanus » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:27 pm

I will believe it when you can change the name to Bob Menendez, and everyone calls for him to resign.

Maybe the Washington Post can find the child prostitutes he frequented for an interview.
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Re: Moore or Less in Alabama?

Postby First Shirt » Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:26 pm

Moore wasn't my first choice, or even my tenth one (I was holding out for Jonathan McConnell, because having a Senator who is also a Class III dealer would be totally cool) but when Bitch McConjob endorsed Luther Strange, he made sure I was going to vote for Moore. We'd already been saddled with Richard Shelby, so there's no point in putting two RINOs in the Senate, and there isn't a nickle's worth of difference between Strange and Jones.

And the timing of the claims is pegging my BS meter in a big way, because they are entirely TOO convenient.
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Re: Moore or Less in Alabama?

Postby slowpoke » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:14 pm

First Shirt wrote:Moore wasn't my first choice, or even my tenth one (I was holding out for Jonathan McConnell, because having a Senator who is also a Class III dealer would be totally cool) but when Bitch McConjob endorsed Luther Strange, he made sure I was going to vote for Moore. We'd already been saddled with Richard Shelby, so there's no point in putting two RINOs in the Senate, and there isn't a nickle's worth of difference between Strange and Jones.

And the timing of the claims is pegging my BS meter in a big way, because they are entirely TOO convenient.

With all the “issues” with Moore in elected judicial position in AL, I expected if this was real for the left to have used this long ago to destroy him. But who knows?
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Re: Moore or Less in Alabama?

Postby First Shirt » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:11 pm

And somebody smarter than me has pointed out that if Moore's name was Robert Menendez (or if he had a D after his name), this wouldn't even be on the news.
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Re: Moore or Less in Alabama?

Postby Termite » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:17 pm

Bill Clinton weighs in on the issue.
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"At least the women that I sexually assaulted were over 18."


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Re: Moore or Less in Alabama?

Postby Vonz90 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:46 pm

slowpoke wrote:
First Shirt wrote:Moore wasn't my first choice, or even my tenth one (I was holding out for Jonathan McConnell, because having a Senator who is also a Class III dealer would be totally cool) but when Bitch McConjob endorsed Luther Strange, he made sure I was going to vote for Moore. We'd already been saddled with Richard Shelby, so there's no point in putting two RINOs in the Senate, and there isn't a nickle's worth of difference between Strange and Jones.

And the timing of the claims is pegging my BS meter in a big way, because they are entirely TOO convenient.

With all the “issues” with Moore in elected judicial position in AL, I expected if this was real for the left to have used this long ago to destroy him. But who knows?


I am not sure, but it is not like the Dems would not sit on something like this until it was most advantaged to them to use it.

Of course, it is not like they would let the fact that it was false stop them either.

So ???

What particularly bothers me is that he cannot seem to deny it outright.

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Postby First Shirt » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:03 pm

Vonz90 wrote:I am not sure, but it is not like the Dems would not sit on something like this until it was most advantaged to them to use it.
Of course, it is not like they would let the fact that it was false stop them either.
So ???
What particularly bothers me is that he cannot seem to deny it outright.

He's said that it's politically motivated BS, and he's sued the Washington Post for slander. He's categorically denied all the charges. Don't know what else he could do, outside of seppuku on the capitol steps.

Again, I'm not a big fan of his, but he's head-and-shoulders above anyone else who is willing to put his neck on the block.
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Re: Moore or Less in Alabama?

Postby Vonz90 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:11 pm

First Shirt wrote:
Vonz90 wrote:I am not sure, but it is not like the Dems would not sit on something like this until it was most advantaged to them to use it.
Of course, it is not like they would let the fact that it was false stop them either.
So ???
What particularly bothers me is that he cannot seem to deny it outright.

He's said that it's politically motivated BS, and he's sued the Washington Post for slander. He's categorically denied all the charges. Don't know what else he could do, outside of seppuku on the capitol steps.

Again, I'm not a big fan of his, but he's head-and-shoulders above anyone else who is willing to put his neck on the block.


What more could he do? How about when offered an opportunity to give a categorical denial on national television- give a categorical denial and not hum and haw and equivocate.

"Not generally, no," Moore answered. "If did, you know, I'm not going to dispute anything but I don't remember anything like that."

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Re: Moore or Less in Alabama?

Postby Precision » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:09 am

Vonz90 wrote:
I would rather he drop out since this should be a gimme election for any other Republican. If I was a resident though, I would probably pull the lever for him anyway under the assumption that he would not serve and be replaced by someone appointed by the Governor. Better that than a Dem for the balance of the term.


You may already know this, but NO other Republican can get on the ballot. That date is passed. So if Moore drops out, it would be a WRITE IN effort for the Republican. Most likely that STRANGE bastard. Not to mention voters are stupid will not write in anyone...

He is being put in the position to prove a negative RIGHT WHEN MOST DIFFICULT for the nondemonrats to get another candidate in his place. Then out of nowhere, 5 women accuse him, staged over as many days. Not to mention he gets accused of the thing currently in the headlines with Harvey Whiner.

He may well have done it. But my BS meter is pegged. And like others have said, Senator Menudo - pedophile is getting ZERO attention for at least as ugly actions which we have documentable PROOF that he did at least some of them.
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Re: Moore or Less in Alabama?

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Precision wrote:
Vonz90 wrote:
I would rather he drop out since this should be a gimme election for any other Republican. If I was a resident though, I would probably pull the lever for him anyway under the assumption that he would not serve and be replaced by someone appointed by the Governor. Better that than a Dem for the balance of the term.


You may already know this, but NO other Republican can get on the ballot. That date is passed. So if Moore drops out, it would be a WRITE IN effort for the Republican. Most likely that STRANGE bastard. Not to mention voters are stupid will not write in anyone...

He is being put in the position to prove a negative RIGHT WHEN MOST DIFFICULT for the nondemonrats to get another candidate in his place. Then out of nowhere, 5 women accuse him, staged over as many days. Not to mention he gets accused of the thing currently in the headlines with Harvey Whiner.

He may well have done it. But my BS meter is pegged. And like others have said, Senator Menudo - pedophile is getting ZERO attention for at least as ugly actions which we have documentable PROOF that he did at least some of them.

Nah, just follow New Jersey's lead when they brought Lautenberg out of retirement.
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Re: Moore or Less in Alabama?

Postby MiddleAgedKen » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:11 am

Termite wrote:Bill Clinton weighs in on the issue.
Spoiler! :
"At least the women that I sexually assaulted were over 18."



Barring all those trips on the Lolita Express (for some of which he ditched his Secret Service detail), anyway. I guess it's the Bart Simpson defense for those.
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Re: Moore or Less in Alabama?

Postby Rich » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:50 am

When I was in High School, there were a couple of times I was accused of sexual shenanigans. As I went to a different High School each year (New Hampshire, Washington State, Virginia and South Carolina), there were just the two separate instances in space and time. What struck me the most was the differences in the accusations from what I remembered as the reality. Needless to say, nothing ever came of the accusations and they remained typical High School stuff.
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Re: Moore or Less in Alabama?

Postby Termite » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:59 am

First Shirt wrote:.... he's sued the Washington Post for slander.

That's an uphill battle.

Media outlets have wide latitude in constitutionally protected free speech. Generally, editorial bias and one-sidedness are not enough to make a defamation case; specific facts need to be stated as true in the article, when in reality they are demonstrably false. Most media outlets are clever about using qualifiers such as "allegedly" or "reportedly" to avoid stating negative facts as truth for this very reason.
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Re: Moore or Less in Alabama?

Postby Johnnyreb » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:42 am

There is a claim that a high school yearbook "proves" he's lying about one of the accusers. Moore has demanded that yearbook for forensic testing of the ink and the handwriting. But after a week, I haven't seen one word about that yearbook being handed over.

All I've seen about this has been on the Fox news website, which is a constant barrage of announcing that the only "choice" Moore has is to drop out of the race. You could put Trump's name in there instead and you'd think it was the presidential race. There's no way a man can "defend" himself from such accusations that date 30-40 years ago. Fox makes nearly zero mention of any possibility the accusations are false, even while telling us that first one is a Clinton campaigner and one of the others was one of Moore's divorce cases.

Perhaps the bit that pissed me off the most was when Sean Hannity announced that Moore had 24 hours to "prove" he's not lying or he "must" drop out of the race.

That and the daily announcement that Moore is losing support. Not losing support of voters in Alabama, but losing support of Republican lawmakers. Most of the Senators denounced him in less than 24 hours of being accused. And they keep posting news about 2 different polls, one of which says he has no hope of winning, and one of which says he's still leading the dem by 6%.

Personally, if I was in Alabama I'd vote for him just because both parties and all the press are telling me not to just as much as they can. And if he makes it into the Senate, he ought to make sure the press get to film him flatly refusing to shake hands with any other Republican senator.

I've recently been reading a book called Conservative Insurrection, a fictional look at how Constitutional Conservatives took it all, looking back from 2041.

One real interesting point in the book is that the Tea Party movement began in 2010. It puts Hillary winning and staying 2 terms, and in 2024 a Tea Party guy takes the White House in a landslide and Conservatives sweep out both parties. The reason is that by 2024 there is a whole crop of Constitutional Conservatives who have run for and held local and state offices and have gained over a decade of experience at political warfare and are ready to seek out and take higher level elections against both the Democrats and the RHINOs.

So let the GOP play their stupid games, the time will come for them to get their stupid prizes.

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Postby MiddleAgedKen » Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:07 pm

If I were an Alabama voter I'd vote for Moore for the same reasons I voted for Trump, and I'm not a fan of either:

1. To keep someone objectively far worse for a suffering republic out of the seat.
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If he's guilty (particularly with women that were underage) then he should be thrown in jail, preferably after a sever beating by the victim's male relatives. (as should any government official from the president on down. Being a temporary federal employee shouldn't give you any special consideration, it should increase any penalty)

That being said, If find the timing of this awfully coincidental, particularly for a man that has gone through several elections to date.

The way all of these allegations about various men are flooding out, particularly as it includes liberals has me thinking, are we seeing a pivot in societal norms as to what the "powerful" can get away with? Or does this remind anyone else of the "satanic daycare centers" hysteria and witch hunts of the 80's and 90's?
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Postby scipioafricanus » Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:49 pm

I'll worry about him when Al Franken and John Conyers resign.
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randy wrote:If he's guilty (particularly with women that were underage) then he should be thrown in jail, preferably after a sever beating by the victim's male relatives. (as should any government official from the president on down. Being a temporary federal employee shouldn't give you any special consideration, it should increase any penalty)

That being said, If find the timing of this awfully coincidental, particularly for a man that has gone through several elections to date.

The way all of these allegations about various men are flooding out, particularly as it includes liberals has me thinking, are we seeing a pivot in societal norms as to what the "powerful" can get away with? Or does this remind anyone else of the "satanic daycare centers" hysteria and witch hunts of the 80's and 90's?



The focus is because of Harvey Weinstien. That led to Holywood (sic) leading a male bashing junket and the Socialist media jumping on the band wagon. They did that partially to deflect against their own sins (CNN, ESPN looking at you) and as a means of spreading hate to the other side of the aisle.

The fact that some in the media didn't get the message, that average Josephine is leveling charges against demonrats is all an accident of bringing the genie out of the bottle. The media /Holywood (some severe overlap) is still doing their best to dance around John Conyers, Al Franken; but most of America sees through that. And now the one women confessed to being a liar in regards to Moore and the yearbook "proof" is looking flimsier and flimsier.

Hopefully it blow up on them like the Russiagate should.
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Re: Moore or Less in Alabama?

Postby scipioafricanus » Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:28 am

Precision wrote:
randy wrote:If he's guilty (particularly with women that were underage) then he should be thrown in jail, preferably after a sever beating by the victim's male relatives. (as should any government official from the president on down. Being a temporary federal employee shouldn't give you any special consideration, it should increase any penalty)

That being said, If find the timing of this awfully coincidental, particularly for a man that has gone through several elections to date.

The way all of these allegations about various men are flooding out, particularly as it includes liberals has me thinking, are we seeing a pivot in societal norms as to what the "powerful" can get away with? Or does this remind anyone else of the "satanic daycare centers" hysteria and witch hunts of the 80's and 90's?



The focus is because of Harvey Weinstien. That led to Holywood (sic) leading a male bashing junket and the Socialist media jumping on the band wagon. They did that partially to deflect against their own sins (CNN, ESPN looking at you) and as a means of spreading hate to the other side of the aisle.

The fact that some in the media didn't get the message, that average Josephine is leveling charges against demonrats is all an accident of bringing the genie out of the bottle. The media /Holywood (some severe overlap) is still doing their best to dance around John Conyers, Al Franken; but most of America sees through that. And now the one women confessed to being a liar in regards to Moore and the yearbook "proof" is looking flimsier and flimsier.

Hopefully it blow up on them like the Russiagate should.


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