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Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:05 am
by Highspeed
BBC - AKA British Broadcasting Corporation.
I can cite any amount of reasons, but I won't clutter the thread up with them.

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:26 am
by Kommander
Highspeed wrote:BBC - AKA British Broadcasting Corporation.
I can cite any amount of reasons, but I won't clutter the thread up with them.


I don't know if you know this but many in the US consider the BBC to be better source of news than the major US networks, but then again so is Al Jazeera. Hell at least Al Jazeera's bias is obvious.

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:39 am
by Aglifter
Al Jazeera can be pretty good on some things. (They tend to be pretty frank about Arab politics.)

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:53 am
by Netpackrat
CByrneIV wrote:The Revolutionary War Veterans Association


I'd be curious to know what this site did to get on the black list; I haven't been over there in quite some time.

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:58 am
by 308Mike
And as much as hate to admit it, JPFO can tip a little too much towards the GOA line of thinking/behavior.

Overall, if you get away from the emotional initial reactions to specific bills, laws, regulations/resolutions, etc., etc., JPFO can be a HUGE resource of information. But on occasion, they can be as reactionary as some of the GOA nutballs. I MUCH prefer getting my firearms news and information from the NRA. After all, at least they research their information rather than just echoing what someone else has spouted - regardless of its accuracy.

I would put JPFO in a category of information resource, rather than a NEWS carrier. If you get NEWS from JPFO, you SHOULD VERIFY it through other sources before trusting it. Their RESEARCHED information is first-rate, just beware if it's something new coming out.

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:18 am
by Captain Wheelgun
CByrneIV wrote:
Netpackrat wrote:
CByrneIV wrote:The Revolutionary War Veterans Association


I'd be curious to know what this site did to get on the black list; I haven't been over there in quite some time.


You missed the fact that they have internally self destructed over the past few years? That they now operate on your basic stalinist purge basis? How they have roaming groups of what are essentially cultists who search out anything negative, or even slightly less than positive about them all over the internet, and then personally attack anyone associated with it?

That's too bad. I went to an Appleseed clinic a few years ago, learned a lot about position shooting. I had thought about going to another one to get my Rifleman patch.

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:42 am
by Netpackrat
CByrneIV wrote:You missed the fact that they have internally self destructed over the past few years? That they now operate on your basic stalinist purge basis? How they have roaming groups of what are essentially cultists who search out anything negative, or even slightly less than positive about them all over the internet, and then personally attack anyone associated with it?


Completely. I pretty much stick to reading the same sites, so if it isn't on one of them or doesn't catch my attention, chances are I will miss it entirely.

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:23 am
by Kommander
Netpackrat wrote:
CByrneIV wrote:The Revolutionary War Veterans Association


I'd be curious to know what this site did to get on the black list; I haven't been over there in quite some time.


Well how many 250 year old veterans do you know?

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:15 am
by Yogimus
Anything and everything I have ever posted in the past, or the future.

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:41 am
by Netpackrat
Yogimus wrote:Anything and everything I have ever posted in the past, or the future.


The badger thing didn't really happen?

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:53 am
by Combat Controller
Funny, I met the guy who started JFPO in New Orleans a few weeks ago. He's a friend of a friend.

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:50 pm
by MarkD
It's funny how formerly-reliable bloggers have gone off the deep end. I'm thinking specifically of Michael Yon and the guy who did Little Green Footballs. Both used to be very good and very reliable, but now not-so-much.

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:47 pm
by Weetabix
Captain Wheelgun wrote:That's too bad. I went to an Appleseed clinic a few years ago, learned a lot about position shooting. I had thought about going to another one to get my Rifleman patch.

Improving your shooting is not the same thing as relying on them for news. I still intend to attend an Appleseed clinic.

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:49 pm
by Weetabix
I have to admit, I don't much trust anyone for direct news any more. I tend to look to people I trust and who have more research energy than I do to find a reasonable outlook.

A site I see cited often but which doesn't often enter my sight (as it were) is Drudge. Are they reliable, though hyperbolic?

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:20 pm
by Kommander
You should read Drudge every day, not because he's right or wrong or whatever but because he has allot of influence on what is discussed by the media. Also remember that he is a news aggregator and as such usually only links to stories from other sites rather than publishing his own material.

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:27 pm
by Termite
CByrneIV wrote:"Fred" of fredoneverything.net

Oh come on, now. :lol:

You read/link to Fred for the entertainment, not for news.

And Coast to Coast is great listening while driving down to the heliport. Keeps me amused and awake.

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:50 am
by Highspeed
Kommander wrote:
Highspeed wrote:BBC - AKA British Broadcasting Corporation.
I can cite any amount of reasons, but I won't clutter the thread up with them.


I don't know if you know this but many in the US consider the BBC to be better source of news than the major US networks


I did. I think the problem is that the BBC seems a lot more 'serious' than US news channels. It's easy to mistake that for impartiality.
If there are two sides to an issue the BBC will always be on the left ( and on the side of big government - after all, that's how they get funded )

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:39 am
by Windy Wilson
Highspeed wrote:. . . I think the problem is that the BBC seems a lot more 'serious' than US news channels. It's easy to mistake that for impartiality.
If there are two sides to an issue the BBC will always be on the left ( and on the side of big government - after all, that's how they get funded )


Well, they have those plummy accents that to American ears sound so cultured and educated and serious compared to the flat midwestern accents on American TV. And that's even without not smiling! Given the American prejudice, it's only natural they believe the station is impartial when they take the Leftist side.

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:09 am
by Jered
Coast to Coast AM: Because the truth is out there. So is Art Bell.

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:17 am
by Steamforger
One of my buddies ran the flight deck on our ship. This typically meant if we didn't have helo's along for the ride, we had unlimited access to Crash & Smash (big table for card games), the helo office (Nintendo and coffee mess) and the Helo Control Tower (BBC). For some crazy reason we didn't actually hear much about our depolyments or what was going on in the parts of the world we were in from AFN. It may not be ideal, but it beats nothing. Especially downrange.

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:27 am
by Kommander
Does anyone not know that Coast to Coast is entertainment only? Then again I remember back when I listened to it there seemed to be three types of guests, legitimate guests (I once got extra credit for turning in some notes I took on theoretical time travel via near light-speed travel and worm holes), fringe scientists (there are TWO mirror universes and if we are not careful they will collapse into each other!) and total nutters (when I worked with space aliens at area 51...).

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:38 am
by Yogimus
Coast to coast is some crazy shit. Go from a perfectly logical discussion about the effects of religious influences during the 2nd world war VS the war on terror, straight to Al Queda being a front for the helenistic triad and/or illuminati.

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:20 pm
by Windy Wilson
Jered wrote:Coast to Coast AM: Because the truth is out there. So is Art Bell.


Good one.

I am both surprised and pleased by this list. Surprised it took so long for this site to post one, and pleased that this forum alone on the internet (to my knowledge) has such a list.

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:21 pm
by Windy Wilson
Yogimus wrote:Coast to coast is some crazy shit. Go from a perfectly logical discussion about the effects of religious influences during the 2nd world war VS the war on terror, straight to Al Queda being a front for the helenistic triad and/or illuminati.


The nature, subject and direction of thread hijacks (even on radio) greatly depends on the people reading the thread.

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:25 am
by Jered
Windy Wilson wrote:
Jered wrote:Coast to Coast AM: Because the truth is out there. So is Art Bell.


Good one.


It's actually a Coast to Coast AM advertising spot from one of the radio stations out here.

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:30 am
by gromulin
Coast to Coast AM is great entertainment. The doublewide-based scientific community never lets me down. That's because I enjoy listening to schizophrenics late at night, they take themselves SO damn seriously.

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 3:36 pm
by Weetabix
What about Newsmax?

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:52 pm
by Weetabix
That's kind of what I thought. I get the willies whenever I read a link to them. It's like you can't verify much if any of it independently.

Of course, I've hears snopes called unreliable, too. Is that true, or can they be counted on?

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:05 pm
by Aesop
Chris is free to list them as such, or not.

IMHO, they are what Wikipedia would be if it were administered by a small family, which is what Snopes is.
Frequently, they get things right. Equaly frequently, they don't know what they're talking about. And without personal information to a degree that would obviate the need to consult Snopes in the first place, one never knows which side of the realty line their stories are. I've sent them corrections, and had the same bogus info still sitting on their website months later. I attribute that to inattention and inertia rather than actual malice, but the result for readers is the same. As far as I can tell, the only thing that motivates them to due diligence is whether, on a given topic, they feel like it.
As a general rule, I'd get a factual response 1000-fold better from the members of this forum than from Snopes. Which, to open another can of worms, makes Snopes about as reliable as IMDb, and much like other solely online "references", worth every penny you pay for them.

You takes yer chances.

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:40 pm
by Netpackrat
Snopes is run by a couple of libs, and them calling another news source unreliable is the pot calling the kettle black. They are generally reliable, when it comes to non-political stuff. Otherwise, seek some other confirmation. I've been hesitant to use them as a source for anything for a while now, and usually do so with a disclaimer.

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 8:40 am
by mekender
Should probably add Pam Geller and http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/ to the list...

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 7:37 am
by kapikui
Well, I do have to credit Coast to Coast with solving my severe sleep disturbances. There were times I would feel as if I were being attacked by a malevolent presence as I would sleep, generally as I went to sleep.

They were talking about similar things happening in sleep. I can't remember what supernatural explanation they came up with, but I was on my way to work a midnight shift at the time, so I spent some time doing internet research on some more reputable sources on the things they were talking about. After a few hours, I discovered that that my symptoms were often associated with not getting enough air. I tried nasal strips to open my nasal passages when I slept. The nightmares went away. Now I only have them if I don't wear a strip for a couple of nights. Sure the show was complete BS, but without it, I would likely still be having terrifying nightmares on going to sleep.

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:21 pm
by SoupOrMan
Wait, so Coast to Coast AM isn't a Steve Jackson Games-inspired LARP?

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:06 pm
by Rod
A post on Facebook pointed me to FreePatriot. The link mentions close to 400,000 U.N. troops training here, FEMA camps, etc.

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:16 pm
by PawPaw
I love listening to Coast to Coast while I drive to the deer stand because it runs from the deeply bizarre to the truly inane. And, that's the only time I listen to it, driving to the deer stand, which is about 40 minutes from the house.

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:29 pm
by Termite
PawPaw wrote:I love listening to Coast to Coast while I drive to the deer stand because it runs from the deeply bizarre to the truly inane. And, that's the only time I listen to it, driving to the deer stand, which is about 40 minutes from the house.

I sometimes listen while driving to the heliport to go offshore.

I especially get a giggle from the "crystal power crowd"....... :lol:

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:51 pm
by martini
First, I must look into this Coast to Coast thing. It sounds like it could be very entertaining.

Second, I strongly disagree with listing Gun Owners of America (GOA), Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) as non-news sources. I mean really, all you have to do is realize that exactly the opposite of what they say is in fact truth and your're set! It's like a magic decoder ring! :)

Re: List of non-credible sources and attributions

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:49 pm
by Rod
Found another one for the list.
The Last Great Stand
Obama was going to be arrested for treason by NCIS and the Navy Provost. sigh