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Postby JustinR » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:29 pm

After reading some rather unflattering reviews of how Vickers has been conducting his 1911 smithing classes, I thought this was rather telling. H/T The Firearm Blog.

Special Forces legend and gun guru Larry Vickers got snubbed at the Ruger booth during SHOT Show 2016 and took to Facebook to slam the company for the slight.

“I stopped into the Ruger booth today to do a YouTube video on their new polymer frame striker fired pistol,” wrote Vickers. “After getting the run around we finally got handed off to a guy that a) had a chip on his shoulder and b) had no clue who I was.”

We are guessing it was point B that led to sh*t getting really real, really fast. That’s right, apparently Larry went full Witherspoon. You never go full Witherspoon. Well, maybe you do if you are Larry V getting the snub from a Ruger redshirt.

Anyway, up next:

So my crew was setting up lights and getting everything ready for filming when the Ruger employee decides a good idea to tell my crew how to do their job and put restrictions on the amount of booth space we had to use for filming – at this point I pulled the plug on the whole thing and we packed up and left. And in a blink of an eye Ruger lost a minimum of 100,000 or more views on my channel on this one product alone. You ever wonder why NO Special Operations or SWAT teams on the entire planet use anything Ruger makes ? Now you know why.

Most of Vickers’ followers subsequently supported his decision to dip and take his views with him. After all, they are his followers. He even posted a follow-up meme with a take off of the snickers “you aren’t you when you are hungry” trope that ended with a punch line involving the notorious cast of Sons of Guns which is always good for a laugh.

Ruger has not commented on the incident but we don’t foretell a Vickers Tactical Edition Ruger American Pistol any time soon.

Good thing it wasn’t the Fireclean booth.

Too soon?


And, what really made me laugh, from the comments:

I saw Larry Vickers at a grocery store in Vegas yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person and congratulated him on his successful Vickers Tactical line, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.

He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”

I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “Gonnatellmehowyoushootnow? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen snickers in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be busy and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the snickers and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any RFID 'interference',” and then turned around and winked at me. After she scanned each candy bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by STANDBY really loudly.
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Postby First Shirt » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:42 pm

So, you have a guy that makes really high-end 1911s, and then supplements his income by writing articles about how bad the 1911s are, and insulting the people who use them, and anyone, anywhere, is surprised that he's the north end of a southbound horse?
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Postby PawPaw » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:46 pm

“I stopped into the Ruger booth today to do a YouTube video on their new polymer frame striker fired pistol,” wrote Vickers. “After getting the run around we finally got handed off to a guy that a) had a chip on his shoulder and b) had no clue who I was.”

I don't know who he is either and I don't give a crap. Evidently, he's a Special Operations guy. Whoopde-doo.

I worked around SpecOps guys for a while and found them to be distinctly one of two types. The first type were nice guys. Funny, personable, professional, helpful to a fault. They'd laugh and drink and cut-up, seemed to enjoy life with gusto.

The second type were unrepentant assholes.They didn't give a screaming crap about anyone but themselves and whined like babies if things didn't go their way.

Thankfully, there were more of the first than of the second type. Some of the funniest guys I knew were SF team members.
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Postby BDK » Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:43 am

The blackest, and funniest, sense of humor, which I have ever encoubtered, belonged to an SF guy I met at a match.

He was hilarious, but in desperate need of help - which he was getting.

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Postby Netpackrat » Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:43 am

That's pretty douchey, but he's far from the douchiest "operator" in the training racket.
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Postby Kommander » Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:00 am

Netpackrat wrote:That's pretty douchey, but he's far from the douchiest "operator" in the training racket.


Well he hasn't shot any of his fellow instructors, challenged anyone to duels, admitted that he's a police state fascist, or claim to be a Four Weapons Combat Scientologist, but he is still pretty bad, and managed to make M4carbine.net into his own person fiefdom of asskissing.

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Postby Steamforger » Fri Jan 29, 2016 6:14 am

How exactly would one attach rails to a king size snickers bar, how much can you charge for both the product and the class, and do you deep fry them in Fireclean???

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Postby Jered » Fri Jan 29, 2016 6:49 am

You ever wonder why NO Special Operations or SWAT teams on the entire planet use anything Ruger makes ? Now you know why.


They're doing just fine without that business, too.

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Postby Aesop » Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:01 am

Sorry, I've been shooting for 40 years, and I was just wondering...whoinhell is Larry Snickers?
Should I have heard of him?
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Postby Denis » Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:31 am

You ever wonder why NO Special Operations or SWAT teams on the entire planet use anything Ruger makes ? Now you know why.


What you talkin' bout fool? The A-Team uses Ruger Minis!

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Postby Netpackrat » Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:22 am

Kommander wrote:
Netpackrat wrote:That's pretty douchey, but he's far from the douchiest "operator" in the training racket.


Well he hasn't shot any of his fellow instructors, challenged anyone to duels, admitted that he's a police state fascist, or claim to be a Four Weapons Combat Scientologist, but he is still pretty bad, and managed to make M4carbine.net into his own person fiefdom of asskissing.


Not traveling in any of those circles, I had no clue he is an ass until this thread. I bought one of his rifle slings recently, and I like it so far. Ironically enough, what was the last straw for me where Suarez was concerned, was an attack he made on Vickers about his being too fat to be a tactical instructor and basically a disgrace to the industry. I didn't know Vickers from Adam at that point, but I did enough research to learn what he spent his military career doing, and knowing that most of those guys have messed up joints and can't work out like they used to, I consider the weight a service related injury, and I said so. Now I am banned from Warrior Talk. :mrgreen:
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Postby Denis » Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:16 pm

Netpackrat wrote:Now I am banned from Warrior Talk. :mrgreen:


We know the caliber of a man by the enemies he keeps - Jeep forums, Warriortalk, anything else? Incidentally, it's been a while since you were banned from here :-)

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Postby Netpackrat » Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:10 pm

I'm not banned from any Jeep forums. Just one of the MG groups, and a survivalist group of fruits and nuts.

Edit to add; if you look at my ID over at WT, it doesn't show banned, and in fact it still shows me as being "a shining beacon of light" due to other members giving out "reputation points" which is kind of stupid, but oh well. Over there they don't usually "ban" a user, they reset his password so he can't log in. And even when they actually ban a user, they have the forum options set to not display them as being banned. The reason for this, is most forums only have a few people banned... WT has literally thousands of people banned, and they don't really want that known. I have that directly from one of Gabe's former site admins/instructors.

And also, I wasn't banned for anything I posted to WT. I posted my comments to another website entirely. They actually monitor other forums and will ban a user for saying bad things about him/them elsewhere.
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Postby Aesop » Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:39 pm

Well in that case, let's not stand on ceremony.
That's not Warrior talk, it sounds more like Pussy Talk, run by a bunch of crybabies.
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Fuck them, and the Waahmbulance they rode in on.
And Larry Snickers too.
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That should save me a heap of time. :D

IMHO, a lot of the tin-horn two-bit hooey from these BS artists could be avoided by simply asking them "Mister, how many actual stand up face-to-face gunfights you been in?"
In about 95% of actual cases, in the line Louis L'Amour put in more than a couple of protagonists' heads, "I ain't seen any of your graveyards."
It's the real-life version of finding out Hardy Kreuger's character in the original Flight Of The Phoenix only designed model airplanes. There may yet be some actual truth involved in the product, but it's mainly theoretical, and largely happenstance.
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Aesop wrote:IMHO, a lot of the tin-horn two-bit hooey from these BS artists could be avoided by simply asking them "Mister, how many actual stand up face-to-face gunfights you been in?"


Thing is some of these guys, like Vickers and Yeager, actually have legitimate combat experience. However simply having someone try to kill you does not mean you actually know what your doing, nor does it mean that you are capable of training others.

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Kommander wrote:
Aesop wrote:IMHO, a lot of the tin-horn two-bit hooey from these BS artists could be avoided by simply asking them "Mister, how many actual stand up face-to-face gunfights you been in?"


Thing is some of these guys, like Vickers and Yeager, actually have legitimate combat experience. However simply having someone try to kill you does not mean you actually know what your doing, nor does it mean that you are capable of training others.


Suarez was apparently in some gunfights during his law enforcement career. Then narrowly avoided being felonized over apparent worker's comp fraud because he was instructing privately while he was supposed to be on the injured list. Given the strenuous nature of standing behind a firing line and telling other people how to shoot, my take was that due to his overall douchiness, he had made a lot of enemies in his former department over the years, who seized the opportunity to finally fuck him back. I did try to take classes from several of his instructors but the classes they tried to put together up here always ended up being cancelled, postponed, or what have you and his attack on a competitor who is slightly overweight due to injuries sustained in the service of his country was finally the last straw. I liked a lot of what I saw about his pistol curriculum and if my goal is to learn to fight better with my pistol, then I certainly don't expect the guy teaching me to be a saint; I'm more interested in what he can teach me that might save my life at some point. But there comes a point when enough is enough and there are other fish in the sea. Including a bunch of his ex instructors who also finally got tired of his bullshit.

As for Yeager, there is some video out there purportedly of his gunfight as a contractor in the middle east, and it doesn't seem to paint too good of a picture of him.
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Postby Aesop » Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:27 am

Sure, but that's why I specified "gunfight experience".
Virtually no combat per se, and precious little done beyond pistol range, really has any bearing on things except as a maneuver exercise discussion.
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Postby HTRN » Sat Jan 30, 2016 10:51 am

What is would like to know, is how the does "expertise" behind the trigger, translate to being an expert on gunsmithing? :?

Frankly, I'm leery of any smith who claims to be an expert shot - spending time on the firing line, instead of at his workbench. :ugeek:
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Aesop wrote:Sure, but that's why I specified "gunfight experience".
Virtually no combat per se, and precious little done beyond pistol range, really has any bearing on things except as a maneuver exercise discussion.


Vickers would counter that he received plenty of training and experience with close combat during his time in SOF. Yeager would indirectly threaten you and then exfiltrate to a ditch behind his car. Your point is well taken and is something more people should think about when they shop for firearms training. Light infantry tactics, even at the individual level, are different from training to defend your home or person, especially in regards to the usefulness of claymores.

HTRN wrote:What is would like to know, is how the does "expertise" behind the trigger, translate to being an expert on gunsmithing? :?

Frankly, I'm leery of any smith who claims to be an expert shot - spending time on the firing line, instead of at his workbench. :ugeek:


Is he actually making guns himself or is he specing them out for others to make?

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Kommander wrote:Vickers would counter that he received plenty of training and experience with close combat during his time in SOF. Yeager would indirectly threaten you and then exfiltrate to a ditch behind his car. Your point is well taken and is something more people should think about when they shop for firearms training. Light infantry tactics, even at the individual level, are different from training to defend your home or person, especially in regards to the usefulness of claymores.


At which point I'd counter to Vickers that unless any of his targets were firing back at him, he is the proud possessor of the mail-order ninja training certificate, as opposed to the genuine article. By contrast, Miyamoto Musashi was 60-0 in sword duels (to the death), thus giving his Book Of Five Rings on strategy, swordsmanship, etc., a wee bit more metaphorical weight, and setting a standard that should apply today, for exactly the same reasons.
And which point I'd be dead, because Yeager would be holding his AR over his head from the ditch without looking and reconing by fire, and I'd probably catch a stray round in the back, which would serve me right for being in the same zip code as a guy like that if he had access to operable weapons and ammunition.

But to be fair, Yeager did post the Hot Crazy Matrix to his website, a service to humanity equal to Rob Reiner's contribution of Princess Bride to filmdom, and which, in both cases, provides a large amount of cinematic immunity for numerous other crimes against humanity.

I still wouldn't pay any attention to his weaponry pronouncements though.
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Kommander wrote:Thing is some of these guys, like Vickers and Yeager, actually have legitimate combat experience. However simply having someone try to kill you does not mean you actually know what your doing, nor does it mean that you are capable of training others.


A general commentary since I don't have detailed knowledge of the persons involved, but at one time providing instruction and training was a primary mission of Army Special Forces, especially in peace time.

The SF guys I knew in the 80's and early 90's spent a good part of their operations in "Foreign Internal Defense" missions, training local troops all over the world in everything from HSLD Commando stuff to basic field hygiene. Their participation in the Vietnam era MIKE Forces was basically an extension of that to active combat operations, but at the base was still a training mission.

I was lucky enough to attend some SF Reserve unit drills while in college, and a big emphasis of each weekend drill was the younger troops developing and presenting training classes to others in the unit, being graded on technical knowledge and presentation skills by the more senior NCOs. (It's where I got my first introduction to M-16 maintenance, donning and maintenance of gas masks, and military land navigation).

Things may have changed in the past 15+ years of active war operations, but at one time, being an SF NCO meant being at least a competent trainer/instructor.
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Netpackrat wrote:
Kommander wrote:
Aesop wrote:IMHO, a lot of the tin-horn two-bit hooey from these BS artists could be avoided by simply asking them "Mister, how many actual stand up face-to-face gunfights you been in?"


Thing is some of these guys, like Vickers and Yeager, actually have legitimate combat experience. However simply having someone try to kill you does not mean you actually know what your doing, nor does it mean that you are capable of training others.


Suarez was apparently in some gunfights during his law enforcement career. Then narrowly avoided being felonized over apparent worker's comp fraud because he was instructing privately while he was supposed to be on the injured list. Given the strenuous nature of standing behind a firing line and telling other people how to shoot, my take was that due to his overall douchiness, he had made a lot of enemies in his former department over the years, who seized the opportunity to finally fuck him back. I did try to take classes from several of his instructors but the classes they tried to put together up here always ended up being cancelled, postponed, or what have you and his attack on a competitor who is slightly overweight due to injuries sustained in the service of his country was finally the last straw. I liked a lot of what I saw about his pistol curriculum and if my goal is to learn to fight better with my pistol, then I certainly don't expect the guy teaching me to be a saint; I'm more interested in what he can teach me that might save my life at some point. But there comes a point when enough is enough and there are other fish in the sea. Including a bunch of his ex instructors who also finally got tired of his bullshit.

As for Yeager, there is some video out there purportedly of his gunfight as a contractor in the middle east, and it doesn't seem to paint too good of a picture of him.


As for Yeager, look up Edinburgh Risk Ambush. It is the company he worked for a in Baghdad. They made a lot of mistakes, skinnies saw an opportunity, and lit them up with a pair of PKM's. I was teammates with somebody who was supposed to be on that run , who later came over to Blackwatee and my detail.
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Not tooting my horn any but from what I'm reading, I have more credibility than some of the douchenozzles you're mentioning. During my tour in Viet Nam, I actually got into long range rifle fights, short range rifle fights, and nailed a guy in the mouth (by accident) with a single M-16 round from 30 feet snap shooting. I used to spend my time in the trenches on firebases picking off rats from 10 to 20 feet with a 1911. Should I start up a whiz bang, bells and whistles shooting academy?
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Rod wrote:Not tooting my horn any but from what I'm reading, I have more credibility than some of the douchenozzles you're mentioning. During my tour in Viet Nam, I actually got into long range rifle fights, short range rifle fights, and nailed a guy in the mouth (by accident) with a single M-16 round from 30 feet snap shooting. I used to spend my time in the trenches on firebases picking off rats from 10 to 20 feet with a 1911. Should I start up a whiz bang, bells and whistles shooting academy?


Actually yea, Vickers was at least SOF but allot of these guys were just regular infantrymen infantrypersons. Just be sure you have some angle to use to sell your experience and use lots operator terms like "powerstroke" and put the word "tactical" in front of everything.

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Rod wrote:Should I start up a whiz bang, bells and whistles shooting academy?


I've had the pleasure of shooting with, and learning from, Rod. I for one think his shooting academy would be excellent!

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You can call it "Rod's School of Dentistry." :lol:

No, no....TACTICAL Dentistry!
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Rod wrote:Should I start up a whiz bang, bells and whistles shooting academy?


I've had the pleasure of shooting with, and learning from, Rod. I for one think his shooting academy would be excellent!

Nah, too old and curmudgeonly but thanks for the vote of confidence. I truly like my niche, teaching new shooters gun safety, gun nomenclature, and the very basics of shooting. Without the NRA hoopla. I charge them range fees at the Rod and Gun Club and 30 bucks for ammo (and they shoot more than that during the 3 hours we're out there.
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Postby Combat Controller » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:25 pm

Just don't let Rod near any grenades! But I'd attend that class.

Larry sounds like he's letting it get to his head. I was part of the support element during the hostage rescue during Just Cause and I have trained with Paul Howe who was a teammate of his. Paul is the consummate trainer and a true quiet professional in my opinion. Larry just makes the community look bad carrying on like that.
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CombatController wrote:Just don't let Rod near any grenades! But I'd attend that class.


One Carl moment 48 years ago and people STILL rag me about it. Bite me, all y'all.
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Rod wrote:One Carl moment 48 years ago and people STILL rag me about it. Bite me, all y'all.


LOL. 8-)

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Re: Larry Vickers is an ass...but we knew that.

Postby Jericho941 » Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:42 am

My understanding re: Larry Vickers is that for awhile, he was one of the better guys to go with for firearms-related stuff, at least on Youtube, as someone with the BTDT stamp. However, at some point in recent memory, he "sold out" and so these shenanigans may be the result of putting his name behind too many things like Fireclean.

It seems a fair number of names in the online gun community have become mud over the last two years; of the prominent types I think only Travis Haley has played the game smartly enough to push new products and instruction without sailing off into snake oil territory.

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Re: Larry Vickers is an ass...but we knew that.

Postby JAG2955 » Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:28 pm

Jericho941 wrote:It seems a fair number of names in the online gun community have become mud over the last two years; of the prominent types I think only Travis Haley has played the game smartly enough to push new products and instruction without sailing off into snake oil territory.


Does that include his hair and skin care products?

Yeah, it's from awhile ago.

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Re: Larry Vickers is an ass...but we knew that.

Postby Jericho941 » Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:16 pm

Oh. Well then!

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Re: Larry Vickers is an ass...but we knew that.

Postby JustinR » Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:49 pm

Hey, profit off your 15 minutes while you can. Just don't be an ass. Like Larry Vickers.
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Re: Larry Vickers is an ass...but we knew that.

Postby skb12172 » Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:52 pm

Netpackrat wrote:I'm not banned from any Jeep forums. Just one of the MG groups, and a survivalist group of fruits and nuts.

Edit to add; if you look at my ID over at WT, it doesn't show banned, and in fact it still shows me as being "a shining beacon of light" due to other members giving out "reputation points" which is kind of stupid, but oh well. Over there they don't usually "ban" a user, they reset his password so he can't log in. And even when they actually ban a user, they have the forum options set to not display them as being banned. The reason for this, is most forums only have a few people banned... WT has literally thousands of people banned, and they don't really want that known. I have that directly from one of Gabe's former site admins/instructors.

And also, I wasn't banned for anything I posted to WT. I posted my comments to another website entirely. They actually monitor other forums and will ban a user for saying bad things about him/them elsewhere.

Sounds like a passive aggressive bitch move to me. Are they all women?
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Re: Larry Vickers is an ass...but we knew that.

Postby Greg » Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:56 pm

skb12172 wrote:
Netpackrat wrote:I'm not banned from any Jeep forums. Just one of the MG groups, and a survivalist group of fruits and nuts.

Edit to add; if you look at my ID over at WT, it doesn't show banned, and in fact it still shows me as being "a shining beacon of light" due to other members giving out "reputation points" which is kind of stupid, but oh well. Over there they don't usually "ban" a user, they reset his password so he can't log in. And even when they actually ban a user, they have the forum options set to not display them as being banned. The reason for this, is most forums only have a few people banned... WT has literally thousands of people banned, and they don't really want that known. I have that directly from one of Gabe's former site admins/instructors.

And also, I wasn't banned for anything I posted to WT. I posted my comments to another website entirely. They actually monitor other forums and will ban a user for saying bad things about him/them elsewhere.

Sounds like a passive aggressive bitch move to me. Are they all women?


IDK, but I hear they like to talk like warriors.

Kind of like talking like a pirate (aaarghh, matey, walk the plank) except way more awesome. :lol:
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Re: Larry Vickers is an ass...but we knew that.

Postby Netpackrat » Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:15 am

Funny you should mention talking like a pirate. When I first started reading over there (mostly because GS was all about AKs at the time), the "infidel" theme was their big thing. Then at some point, GS decided he wanted to be a pirate, so all of his groupies followed suit and started picking out pirate and skull avatars. It was really pretty humorous and pathetic all at the same time. Since they were all about skulls and stuff, I made an Achmed the dead terrorist avatar and used that. Must have had the desired effect, because after they "banned" me, somebody actually went to the trouble of taking it down.
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Re: Larry Vickers is an ass...but we knew that.

Postby Combat Controller » Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:45 am

Bill Murray once said (of Chevy Chase IIRC) that at a certain level of fame and recognition you become an asshole for a while, and since there are no consequences often it goes on for a bit. But after two years you need to either get better or get stuck that way.
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Re: Larry Vickers is an ass...but we knew that.

Postby BDK » Sat Feb 06, 2016 4:55 pm

The pirate theme could be interesting... Or, some threads in the style of Burns...

We had pirate parties in college, complete with sloop...


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