How to reduce Alaska freight costs?

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arctictom wrote:Leave us the hell alone would work wonders , getting all the Feds out of our business and reducing State.gov to about 10 percent of what they are now , allow mining , drilling, pipelines etc would give us ehe economic lever to improve our own situation.
Yeah, this.
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JAG2955 wrote:Annex Canada?
Could we limit it to just the western provinces please? I really don't think anyone wants to include Quebec.
I really only want western Canada if we can march all of the current occupants east.
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People in Yukon are pretty together , after you get a little south in to BC pretty much commies .
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blackeagle603 wrote:Would it be cheaper to ship via an intermediate foreign port? Outbound to Asia from the west coast is ridiculously cheap with all those empty boxes. Then back from Asia to Anchorage? On foreign flagged vessels for both legs.

Slower of course but would that get around the Jones act?
Why go to Asia, it would probably be enough to pass through Vancouver. I'm imagining that if it was cheaper someone would already do it. And the people in Alaska would probably order most of their stuff from Vancouver businesses. I'm guessing there's some regulations or taxes to prevent it, or at least making it not worth it.

All I know of the Jones Act was from Micheners book "Alaska". In the book it's described as a way for people in the lower 48, Seattle businessmen in particular, to keep Alaska under their control and make sure that they get a big cut of what Alaska produces. Essentially they want to run Alaska from Seattle instead of giving it the same rights as any other state. But although the book is based on real history it is still fiction, so I'm not sure that's the truth.

From my experience, high shipping cost usually has to do with either political reasons or volume, or both. Once you get enough volume of shipping to a place, the shipping cost drops as more shippers become involved and they can ship more efficiently. But there needs to be enough volume for it to be worth building the infrastructure. Unless there's a political obstacle to keep the cost up, like taxes, tariffs, regulations, VAT, etc...
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That's were all the illegal aliens to Alaska come in. Shipping would be from Mexican ports to Alaska. Heck the tomatoes that I just bought at Wally World were imported from Mexico. As a bonus there are a lot of drug cartel people who are experts at picking up and dropping off cargo in international waters. They could run guns and ammo out to ships heading for Alaska. Alaska needs more drugs for those long cold nights, that and more hookers. Yeah! that's not the ticket!
Maybe Russian hookers? :twisted:

I'm just sore because I can't get a reasonably priced, good quality, folding stock AK-74 and cheap 5.45X39 ammo any more. Sanctions don't seem to be hurting the lifestyle of the Russian Oligarchy any, just the poor fools who are trying to make a living. :evil:
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Erik wrote:Why go to Asia, it would probably be enough to pass through Vancouver. I'm imagining that if it was cheaper someone would already do it. And the people in Alaska would probably order most of their stuff from Vancouver businesses. I'm guessing there's some regulations or taxes to prevent it, or at least making it not worth it.
As I understand it, something like that is currently done with cruise ships, because they are all foreign flagged. A US flagged cruise ship would be too expensive to operate.
All I know of the Jones Act was from Micheners book "Alaska". In the book it's described as a way for people in the lower 48, Seattle businessmen in particular, to keep Alaska under their control and make sure that they get a big cut of what Alaska produces. Essentially they want to run Alaska from Seattle instead of giving it the same rights as any other state. But although the book is based on real history it is still fiction, so I'm not sure that's the truth.
Haven't read the book, but it works a lot like that, in practice.
From my experience, high shipping cost usually has to do with either political reasons or volume, or both. Once you get enough volume of shipping to a place, the shipping cost drops as more shippers become involved and they can ship more efficiently. But there needs to be enough volume for it to be worth building the infrastructure. Unless there's a political obstacle to keep the cost up, like taxes, tariffs, regulations, VAT, etc...
It's hard to get the necessary volume from the economy we have right now. Truly open up resource development, and that can change. Get more mining going for our abundant coal, and maybe the cost of energy could even drop enough to build a significant manufacturing sector. Most of the US sees AK as being one big national park, going back for over a century. The economic ass-fucking literally goes back to the first Roosevelt administration. If not for that, we would have had rail transportation from the southern coast into the interior decades before it actually happened, and it would have been owned privately, not by the state.

Also needed is some way to break the hold that organized labor has over the state legislature (both parties), and make it a right to work state. Even during the mid 90s when the Republicans held veto-proof majorities in both houses, nary a peep was heard about this.

Since this is starting to look like a wish list, also get the federal government out of the land business here, and sell it privately, and DO NOT give it to the state. There is currently very little private land in AK, relatively speaking, beyond what has been doled out to the native corporations. And restore full property rights to landowners, including subsurface rights. The bullshit of the state owning all subsurface rights leads to a lot of socialism and socialistic attitudes here. People talk about the "free" money we get in the form of the PFD every year, but it is really not free. It is a booby prize that they hand out in exchange for having taken our mineral rights away.

I am kind of torn on whether to ask for getting rid of the PFD or not. On the one hand, I don't like the government doling out what started out as tax money, plus the fact that the permanent fund was never intended for that purpose. It is supposed to be a source of funds to cushion the blow once the oil money runs out. On the other hand, it's that much less that the politicians have available to spend, which is almost never a bad thing. And there is the point that it is partial compensation for theft of our property rights, even though it is implemented in a socialistic fashion.
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Alaska's economic situation seems to have a parallel to that of certain Indian reservations. There was a study done on why some tribes did better economically than others. It seems that on the reservations that the tribe owned all the land, nobody owned any land, and with no property rights nobody invested, took out loans on there property, the tribal council was often doing corrupt deals, and etc. On the reservations that let individuals own land the reservation economy was often better than the economy outside the reservation.
By keeping the Alaskan economy crippled a whole lot of tax dollars are being lost.
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Netpackrat wrote:
All I know of the Jones Act was from Micheners book "Alaska". In the book it's described as a way for people in the lower 48, Seattle businessmen in particular, to keep Alaska under their control and make sure that they get a big cut of what Alaska produces. Essentially they want to run Alaska from Seattle instead of giving it the same rights as any other state. But although the book is based on real history it is still fiction, so I'm not sure that's the truth.
Haven't read the book, but it works a lot like that, in practice.
I can recommend the book, as well as the other of his books. He seems to have done his homework and mix real historical facts with fiction. The problem with novels like that is that the line can be a bit blurred, and you are not quite sure what is actual fact, what is opinion, what is the characters opinion and what is pure fiction. I think it's a great way to get a historical "framework" of what happened, but not take all of it as undisputed truth. And I do recognize a lot of the things from the books when I watch shows from Alaska.

As for the Alaska book, a lot of it is very gloomy, especially the political parts. A recurring theme is that Alaska has always been mismanaged horribly, regardless of who was in charge at the time. Natural resources has been taken by people from the outside, laws have been written that benefits outsiders rather than the people of Alaska, and so on. There's a few of those passages that has me doubting the accuracy, it's just a bit too much in a few places and you'd think there has to be an opposing view somewhere the author isn't giving you.
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I enjoyed his book on Poland.

Funny how without private property rights, everything is or soon becomes, shit.
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Netpackrat wrote: I really only want western Canada if we can march all of the current occupants east.
As for as most of the lower mainland goes, you're right.
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Relative to the Jones Act, there are definitely some down side and the U.S. domestic shipping industry is over regulated, but there are a lot of actual decent reasons for it in a general sence.

I would rather see deregulation and favorable tax treatment and keep the Jones act rather than keeping the regulations and ditching the act. Unless of course fighting the next war with no US merchant ships sounds like a good idea.
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