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Hoax at St. Olaf's

Postby Vonz90 » Thu May 11, 2017 1:17 am

https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/32560/

I don't know if you have been following the Sturm und Drang at St. Olaf's - but yeah the thing that started all the protests and whatnot was a hoax.

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Re: Hoax at St. Olaf's

Postby skb12172 » Thu May 11, 2017 3:55 am

I don't even see the point in sending a kid to college anymore.
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Re: Hoax at St. Olaf's

Postby Vonz90 » Thu May 11, 2017 4:07 am

I think the interesting point is that the ones which are getting all of the riots over being soooo racist are the lefty schools. Go figure.

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Re: Hoax at St. Olaf's

Postby skb12172 » Thu May 11, 2017 4:14 am

Meanwhile, the signs saying racist things about white people are being protected with cameras.
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Re: Hoax at St. Olaf's

Postby Jericho941 » Thu May 11, 2017 5:16 am

skb12172 wrote:I don't even see the point in sending a kid to college anymore.

I fail to see how this is a relevant response to the story at hand, unless you think that colleges are the only institution that have to take anonymous threats seriously.

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Re: Hoax at St. Olaf's

Postby skb12172 » Thu May 11, 2017 10:49 am

It must be nice to live in your world. Did you miss the part about the SJW protests, the anti-white posters being posted and protected by the school? Of course you did.
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Re: Hoax at St. Olaf's

Postby Precision » Fri May 12, 2017 2:00 am

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skb12172 wrote:I don't even see the point in sending a kid to college anymore.

I fail to see how this is a relevant response to the story at hand, unless you think that colleges are the only institution that have to take anonymous threats seriously.

Average student takes 5 years to become $60k in debt to get a degree that is effectively worthless AND gets 5 years of leftist propaganda drilled in their brain.

The average skills trade takes 12 months a lot less cash and makes a lot more right out of the gate with room to grow. If I was 18 today. I would be choosing between a 4 year hitch in the military to learn a trade or going to trade school to learn a trade. Most likely machining, but plumbing or HVAC would figure high as well.


Public school is almost child abuse in the lower grades and not much far behind at most colleges especially if the student isn't in a STEM program.
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Re: Hoax at St. Olaf's

Postby skb12172 » Fri May 12, 2017 2:22 am

Precision wrote:
Jericho941 wrote:
skb12172 wrote:I don't even see the point in sending a kid to college anymore.

I fail to see how this is a relevant response to the story at hand, unless you think that colleges are the only institution that have to take anonymous threats seriously.

Average student takes 5 years to become $60k in debt to get a degree that is effectively worthless AND gets 5 years of leftist propaganda drilled in their brain.

The average skills trade takes 12 months a lot less cash and makes a lot more right out of the gate with room to grow. If I was 18 today. I would be choosing between a 4 year hitch in the military to learn a trade or going to trade school to learn a trade. Most likely machining, but plumbing or HVAC would figure high as well.


Public school is almost child abuse in the lower grades and not much far behind at most colleges especially if the student isn't in a STEM program.


Yes. This.
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Postby Jered » Fri May 12, 2017 2:36 am

Precision wrote:The average skills trade takes 12 months a lot less cash and makes a lot more right out of the gate with room to grow. If I was 18 today. I would be choosing between a 4 year hitch in the military to learn a trade or going to trade school to learn a trade. Most likely machining, but plumbing or HVAC would figure high as well.


Public school is almost child abuse in the lower grades and not much far behind at most colleges especially if the student isn't in a STEM program.


If I ever have kids and they want my help financially to go through school, it's either a trade school or the military.

I want them to study plumbing, HVAC, machining, mechanics, machining, nursing, or something like that. There really isn't a point to college any more.

If they want to go to college, well, they can do it on their own dime.
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Re: Hoax at St. Olaf's

Postby Jericho941 » Fri May 12, 2017 5:26 am

skb12172 wrote:It must be nice to live in your world. Did you miss the part about the SJW protests, the anti-white posters being posted and protected by the school? Of course you did.
Weird, but
Jericho941 wrote:I fail to see how this is a relevant response to the story at hand, unless you think that colleges are the only institution that have to take anonymous threats seriously.


Seriously though, oh dear, they let students put up signs and shut things down for one day to let a scandal blow over. They were dealing with teenagers and early 20somethings, who are generally not known for their impulse control. They played this the right way.

Precision wrote:Average student takes 5 years to become $60k in debt to get a degree that is effectively worthless AND gets 5 years of leftist propaganda drilled in their brain.

The average skills trade takes 12 months a lot less cash and makes a lot more right out of the gate with room to grow. If I was 18 today. I would be choosing between a 4 year hitch in the military to learn a trade or going to trade school to learn a trade. Most likely machining, but plumbing or HVAC would figure high as well.


The military is not a jobs program and I wish that myth would die. It's almost as bad as the "pressure your shitty kid you couldn't raise right to enlist, that'll fix 'em" myth. I did six years in the military. I learned some pretty sweet and specialized avionics knowledge. You know where that got me? Finding out my best prospects were going back to the Middle East, then waiting on Boeing for an extra 4 months after the interview to tell me "never mind, the Saudis aren't willing to commit to anything right now. Keep our number, yeah?" God help anyone who does a stint as a grunt or cop and wants to do anything but be private security for the rest of their life.

You don't need to join the military to learn a trade. Hell, in many jurisdictions if you want to be a cop, you need an IQ above room temperature and the ability to pass a mild PT test. The military trains you for the military, anything else is gravy. If you want to learn HVAC, welding, pipefitting, machining? Many civilian employers will avoid you because they know you're used to working for the government, so if you screw up and waste supply on an incredibly basic measurement mistake... well, you get yelled at. You don't get fired. Hell, if you want to do it for the military you don't even need to join. Just live near a base like PSNS, get hired by one of the companies that works there on a permanent basis, and not only will they pay you while you get on-the-job training, they will pay for your trade school. You can have an AS in welding and have a ton of certificates, all on the company's dime!

Outside of that... You wanna be a welder? Civil engineer? Just about any trade? There are subsidized loans for that. If you want to bet on the "sure thing," you can seize it and pay the loans back quickly if you live within your means, less if you grab scholarships. I would only tell people to join the military if they want to be in the military, which is what I did (while also believing the trade bullshit). Otherwise, go to trade school, get a job, and enjoy life while you're still young instead of being caught in some weird Billy Madison hellverse.

Public school is almost child abuse in the lower grades and not much far behind at most colleges especially if the student isn't in a STEM program.


STEM's great but it's not the only way to get use out of your degree. (I say this as a current STEM major). Because, frankly, very smart material science guys, cyber-whatsits, math nerds and Dilbert-reading engineers often have a horrendously poor grasp of historiography (among other things) and think they don't need to because STEM. (There's nothing more frustrating than trying to explain to an aspiring engineer that a king marries for diplomacy reasons, not love; and no, a king cannot do whatever he wants because he is king). Liberal arts are necessary, just incredibly inflated due to the Boomer advice of "get a degree of any kind at all costs." Which, to be fair, actually worked for them. It just hasn't worked for the rest of us for quite awhile now.

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Re: Hoax at St. Olaf's

Postby skb12172 » Fri May 12, 2017 5:45 am

You know, I am in complete agreement with what you wrote from STEM to the end.

Regarding cops, all the local departments are desperate for recruits right now, because

1) It is no longer considered hazard duty with the 20 year retirement.
2) They have gone from defined pensions to 401K.
3) Suddenly, people all over are now seeing anyone wearing a badge as a target shooting opportunity.

I did 2 years of state LEO after 10+ years in Education. I wouldn't go back to either in this environment.
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Re: Hoax at St. Olaf's

Postby Vonz90 » Fri May 12, 2017 2:58 pm

Jericho941 wrote:The military is not a jobs program and I wish that myth would die. It's almost as bad as the "pressure your shitty kid you couldn't raise right to enlist, that'll fix 'em" myth. I did six years in the military. I learned some pretty sweet and specialized avionics knowledge. You know where that got me? Finding out my best prospects were going back to the Middle East, then waiting on Boeing for an extra 4 months after the interview to tell me "never mind, the Saudis aren't willing to commit to anything right now. Keep our number, yeah?" God help anyone who does a stint as a grunt or cop and wants to do anything but be private security for the rest of their life.


There is no such thing as "the military". Each service is different and the different rates are different. Some are very applicable to civilian careers and other are not at all. (I have seen aviation maintenance guys, ET's, FC's, etc. getting offers while they were not even close to EAOS). Sea-bees move right out into construction jobs fairly often too. Boatswain's mates, MS's (I guess CS's now) and others, not so much directly.

Even with O's, some companies love getting ex-military and others avoid them.

What it does do, is give someone a level of maturity and self responsibility to go out later and do something successfully. (At least the Nav, the Army seems to allow a lot less independence for their enlisted to what I have seen.)

As they say, choose your rate, choose your fate.

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Postby MiddleAgedKen » Fri May 12, 2017 4:30 pm

When Bob Nardelli was the Home Depot CEO, they were panting after ex-military for manager positions. Dunno about now. Nardelli sort of wrecked Home Depot. :|
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Re: Hoax at St. Olaf's

Postby Jericho941 » Fri May 12, 2017 11:21 pm

Vonz90 wrote:There is no such thing as "the military". Each service is different and the different rates are different. Some are very applicable to civilian careers and other are not at all. (I have seen aviation maintenance guys, ET's, FC's, etc. getting offers while they were not even close to EAOS). Sea-bees move right out into construction jobs fairly often too. Boatswain's mates, MS's (I guess CS's now) and others, not so much directly.

Even with O's, some companies love getting ex-military and others avoid them.

What it does do, is give someone a level of maturity and self responsibility to go out later and do something successfully. (At least the Nav, the Army seems to allow a lot less independence for their enlisted to what I have seen.)

As they say, choose your rate, choose your fate.

Fair, but I think my wording was still appropriate as a response to the broad-stroke "join the military and learn a trade" concept. And there is a silver lining I forgot to mention; if it turns out whatever trade you learned in the military isn't in demand, or its employers aren't interested in hiring based on military experience, there's the post-9/11 GI Bill, which can be applied to trade schools if you still don't want to go to college.

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Postby Old Grafton » Sat May 13, 2017 1:21 am

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Postby First Shirt » Sat May 13, 2017 1:51 am

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Postby Odahi » Sat May 13, 2017 2:55 am

I've been out since 1998. I had a manager from NASA Ames call me in Germany and offer me a job, sight unseen, based on my resume alone. MY MOS? 68N, Avionics Mechanic. I had a great gig, and would probably still be working there if I hadn't met Mrs. O online. After making my way here (she refused to move), I worked as a data cabling and fiber optics technician for about three years. Had to pay the bills somehow, you know? Then it was back to aircraft maintenance for another four years or so. I've been building satellites ever since. I LOVE my job, and no way would I be here, doing what I'm doing, without the Army. I was an untrained drunk when I enlisted. I was driving cab, and working as a pizza delivery guy to make ends meet. My ex-wife was tending bar. I got sick and tired of working shit jobs for shit money, and took the "join the Army to get training" path. I turned 32 in Basic, and stayed in almost ten years. Yeah, cooks and truck drivers are pretty much the same anywhere, but I didn't HAVE the cash to pay for trade school, not and eat too. It cost me a lot, but it gave me a hell of a lot too. So, again, as in so many things, different people have different views and different results. My nephew went 11B, infantry, ETS'ed as an E5 after three tours in the sandbox, and is in trade school now. His mileage varied, as all ours does. No one is identical to anyone else. I'll admit I've been one of the luckiest men alive in a lot of ways, but part of it is due to careful choices and not burning bridges. Space is an even smaller world than aviation, and when someone you've never even met offers you a job when you're 1000 miles from home, ready to launch your latest project, on word of mouth alone, luck may play into it some, but hard careful work plays a part too. "White privilege" my flat pale ass. I have worked HARD to get here, and I pretty much feel anyone who does the same can still make a decent life. Maybe that doesn't include "join for a job" for everyone, and never has, but it's still not impossible to do, even now. My two cents, worth about what you paid for it.
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Postby Netpackrat » Sat May 13, 2017 6:25 am

Odahi wrote:I turned 32 in Basic,


Your real name's not Carl, is it? :mrgreen:
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Re: Hoax at St. Olaf's

Postby Odahi » Sat May 13, 2017 2:35 pm

Nope, I'm not Carl. I also have no evil twin. I AM the evil twin! :evil:
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