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Postby Aesop » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:59 am

In short: GO SEE THIS MOVIE.

Absolutely excellent from beginning to end. This movie was everything that the POS Gravity wished it could be.
In Gravity, by ten minutes in, I was rooting for the debris.
By contrast, in The Martian, you have a tale of survival-that-hasn't-been compelling enough to keep you engaged and interested all the way to the final credits. It is absolutely flawless filmmaking and storytelling without any superfluous BS, nor any contrived drama, and no deus et machina flaws. It's funny, it's thoughtful, and it's raw action all rolled up into a perfect ball of movie goodness.

And clearly, Ridley Scott and Andy Weir should be put in charge of NASA, because they self-evidently have a 1000% better idea of what NASA and manned space exploration should be about, and what they haven't been doing for forty-five years.
All of NASA, from director to the newest janitor, should be forced to watch this movie once a week for the next ten years.

And by all means, see this on the big screen. It is not a movie to watch on a little one.

Rating: Out of this world.
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Postby Termite » Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:58 pm

We should have had a resupply/jump-off station on Mars 20 yrs ago, and have orbited Jupiter and returned by now.
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Postby JAG2955 » Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:04 pm

Termite wrote:We should have had a resupply/jump-off station on Mars 20 yrs ago, and have orbited Jupiter and returned by now.


We traded it for a bunch of Obamaphones and "Swipe yo EBT".

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Postby dfwmtx » Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:29 pm

America used to send people into space to land on other heavenly bodies. Now we just make movies about it.

I like to imagine where we'd be if the money used to bankroll the welfare state was instead diverted to NASA.
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Postby Aesop » Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:40 pm

This isn't an either/or question.

The correct solution is to send the welfare hordes into space. Win-win.
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Postby George guy » Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:06 pm

Aesop wrote:This isn't an either/or question.

The correct solution is to send the welfare hordes into space. Win-win.


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Postby Jericho941 » Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:39 pm

Well, then there's Al Franken's idea to solve the euthanasia debate and Social Security by sending the elderly to space.

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Postby dfwmtx » Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:27 pm

Jericho941 wrote:Well, then there's Al Franken's idea to solve the euthanasia debate and Social Security by sending the elderly to space.

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Funny that, once read a short story from someone in the Baen stable who proposed such seriously. Low-gravity/zero g would be easier on the aged' physiology, their experience is already a big benefit.....
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Postby toad » Tue Oct 27, 2015 2:28 am

The problem for the aged in space is calcium loss. Already brittle bones would become even more fragile. Also while a heart wouldn't have to pump as hard in zero gravity the calcium problem could lead to heart problems if too much of the calcium leached from the bones ended up in the blood stream. They need to put some volunteer old farts into orbit for multi-year studies. The wouldn't let me go because of my gas problem. :mrgreen:

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Postby MarkD » Tue Oct 27, 2015 2:36 pm

Saw The Martian over the weekend, great movie from beginning to end.

On the topic of space travel, this is something I wrote on another forum, which seems appropriate here:

We're not going to the stars. We've shown no desire to even go to the MOON since I was a kid.

I'm a child of the space-age, I remember watching Neil Armstrong step onto the moon on a little 12" B&W TV when I was six. At least half the toys I played with were space-related (Major Matt Mason, little army-man style astronauts, even my GI Joes were astronauts).

We were going to Jupiter before 2001 (Arthur C. Clark and Stanley Kubrick said so!). We went from the very first heavier-than-air aircraft to standing on the MOON in ONE lifetime.

If you asked me in 1972 (the year of the last trip to the moon) I'd have told you (assuming we didn't all die in a nuclear war) that by the time I graduated college in 1985 we'd have permanent bases on the moon, that we'd have been to Mars and we'd be working on going there to stay, and we'd have begun exploring the other planets.

Now it's been decades since we've had a human beyond low-earth orbit.

I'm not sure what happened to a species that once looked at the blank spots on a map and said "I want to stand THERE, or die trying!" And make no mistake, if we ever re-ignite the space program people will die. When you're riding the bleeding edge of technology to send people places they've never been before, sometimes things go wrong. When things go wrong at multiples of the speed of sound it imparts forces beyond what the human body can take. Or it sends them places they can't return from.

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Postby JAG2955 » Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:39 pm

Yeah, but now we've got free healthcare, yo!* Who needs to go to outer space?

*Your healthcare experience may differ from what was portrayed.

I hope you're wrong, Mark. I've been interested in space since having some kind of mock Shuttle manual when I was a kid. Velcro on a Swiss Army Knife to stick it to things? Cool!

I just finished reading "Packing for Mars." It doesn't go much into what is required for a trip to Mars, other than to say "This will be really hard, now look at our experiences from Mercury through Apollo." It rarely talks about the Shuttle, and a little about ISS.

It really made me realize how difficult everything is in zero gravity. From not showering to pooping, it all becomes a challenge. I'm hoping that we can soon have some better advances in either artificial gravity to make life easier, or in heavy lift/propulsion to get us there faster with nicer things. If we can lift the equipment, living on Mars becomes easy. It's getting there that's the problem.

Anything can be solved with enough money, but I'm betting on having the problem solved by SpaceX, not NASA.

What was the book where a bunch of motivated redneck engineers welded fuel tanks together to make a rocket ship to get to Mars?

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Postby Aesop » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:09 pm

We'll actually go to Mars when someone - not a government - says "F*** their rules, we're going! And there's not a damned thing they can do to stop us!"
And then does it.

If we wait for governments to do it, our grandkids won't even get there.
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Postby MarkD » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:24 pm

As I see it, the problem isn't that we lack the money, or the tech, or even the WILL to go there.

The problem is that we've become so damn risk-averse that we won't even try something if it's possible someone might get hurt.

In one of his videos Bill Whittle talks about the early days of jet aircraft, and how many test pilots were killed so we could have safe, efficient passenger jets today. Now NASA is so afraid of killing astronauts that their mission has been changed from "Going to space!" to "Make Muslims feel good about their contributions." Better NOT to go rather than risk another monument in Arlington.

I have my suspicions on why we've, as a society, become so risk-averse.

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Postby JAG2955 » Tue Oct 27, 2015 7:30 pm

Here's another thread where I wrote about it as well.

I highly agree that we need to take risks. If it was Planet GunCounter, we'd have already launched folks to the Mun and farther for permanent colonization. And not just the people we don't like, either. But we also need to convince the voting...I suppose I'll call them idiots...the voting and/or Congressional idiots that this is a GoodThing.

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Postby Weetabix » Tue Oct 27, 2015 7:37 pm

JAG2955 wrote:What was the book where a bunch of motivated redneck engineers welded fuel tanks together to make a rocket ship to get to Mars?

Rocketship Galileo?
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Postby MiddleAgedKen » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:39 am

JAG2955 wrote:If it was Planet GunCounter, we'd have already launched folks to the Mun


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Ah, it was Red Thunder

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Postby HTRN » Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:34 pm

MarkD wrote:As I see it, the problem isn't that we lack the money, or the tech, or even the WILL to go there.

I dunno - bad, baaaad things happen to humans during extended stays in microgravity.

Then there's the issue of food, no resupply on that long ass voyage.

Can it be done? Sure. But it would cost staggering amounts of money, and not really net us anything that the probes already have sent back, at a fraction of the cost.
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Postby Denis » Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:02 pm

HTRN wrote:Can it be done? Sure. But it would cost staggering amounts of money, and not really net us anything that the probes already have sent back, at a fraction of the cost.


I would disagree. There is plenty of value to the human race to be had from proper space exploration, apart from, and maybe even in addition to, money. Consider that the Apollo programme arguably kicked off the computer revolution, for example.

If space exploration provided us with the tools and knowhow to develop space solar power, for example, or nickel-iron asteroid mining, or... and on and on.

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Postby Aesop » Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:42 pm

The Apollo program paid for itself with Tang alone.
Pocket calculators, microchips, and the entire digital universe we now move and breathe amidst were merely icing on the cake.

And we did it out of our national spare change, after funding ginormous wars on Poverty and in Vietnam, both of which were stupendous losses, and paid a much more abysmal return on investment.

Saying that going to Mars wouldn't get us anything the probes couldn't provide cheaper is like observing that Columbus' voyages were a colossal failure at lowering the price of cinnamon and pepper.
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Postby toad » Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:21 pm

There is a lot of stuff that could be manufactured in zero gravity and/or cheap vacuum. The problem is getting to source materials.
There is starting to be some interesting ideas for better propulsion systems. There is one drive that shouldn't work but does and there is now considerable peer review to find out why it does. It is a "reactionless" drive but hardly anybody buys that, but it is still producing continuous thrust under various lab test. The jury is out but it would cut down interplanetary trip time a lot due to reduce fuel weight and continuous thrust. There are some others but any how the biggest obstacle tends to be government cronyism driving dragging regulations.
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Postby Kommander » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:26 am

So essentially this movie is the closest NASA is ever going to get to putting someone on mars.

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Kommander wrote:So essentially this movie is the closest NASA is ever going to get to putting someone on mars.

Yes, unless there are some major changes in the attitudes of the populace. If we get a celestial body hitting people might get back into effective space research. Right now NASA leadership is an oxymoron.

I can see a move into space by corporations driven by profit seeking.

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Postby Rod » Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:58 pm

Okay, saw it today and thought it was great. Aesop covered most of the movie in his piece at the start of the thread. I did notice ONE major blunder, or maybe it was done deliberately. When the captain decides to blow the front hatch to use it as a retro rocket, the astronaut who does the space walk up and back isn't tethered off at all. I had a vision of the rest of the movie turning into a remake of Gravity (which I never want to see).
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Postby NVGdude » Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:33 pm

JAG2955 wrote:Ah, it was Red Thunder



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toad wrote:The problem for the aged in space is calcium loss. Already brittle bones would become even more fragile. Also while a heart wouldn't have to pump as hard in zero gravity the calcium problem could lead to heart problems if too much of the calcium leached from the bones ended up in the blood stream. They need to put some volunteer old farts into orbit for multi-year studies. The wouldn't let me go because of my gas problem. :mrgreen:

On the other hand, cheap propulsion. :twisted:
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toad wrote:The problem for the aged in space is calcium loss. Already brittle bones would become even more fragile. Also while a heart wouldn't have to pump as hard in zero gravity the calcium problem could lead to heart problems if too much of the calcium leached from the bones ended up in the blood stream. They need to put some volunteer old farts into orbit for multi-year studies. The wouldn't let me go because of my gas problem. :mrgreen:

On the other hand, cheap propulsion. :twisted:

I dunno, the Isp and thrust are pretty low. Might work as an RCS, though. :geek: (Yes, I do play KSP)

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Postby blackeagle603 » Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:03 pm

Caught up with a friend at a funeral who's been at JPL since '82. He was in charge of the rover payload team, played some big role in Cassini and has since then been mission director on more recent flights (had to homestead months at a time in Florida).

Fun to hear his impressions. Say's they all pretty much screamed more obvious solutions at the screen with the antenna and comm-link limitations/solutions as presented in the movie. Overall liked it and was relieved that none of his guys had to go on suicide watch like they did after Gravity.
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Postby Weetabix » Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:26 am

I hated Gravity. Even Sandra Bullock in tight, skimpy clothing didn't save it.
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Postby McClarkus » Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:23 am

Yes, Gravity sucked worse than a black hole.
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Yeah one his comments (accuracy howls) was about the Sandra Bullock scanties... They wear full body long john type stuff under those suits.
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Postby MiddleAgedKen » Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:47 am

Yeah, but ever since Sigourney Weaver climbed into that vacc suit in Alien, it's kind of a tradition. :twisted:
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Postby Aesop » Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:00 pm

So the fucktards at the Hollywood Foreign Press Association gave the Golden Globe to The Martian...for Best Comedy.
(cf. "1000 Reasons Why The Golden Globes Are Utterly Meaningless")

Holy WTF, Batman! :?

I can't figure out if it's because
a) they're so English-illiterate that they don't WTF the word "comedy" means;
b) they were in stitches at the concept of Matt Damon being an astronaut/botanist/survival supergenius sciencing the shit out of everything, or
c) they couldn't keep a straight face when presented with the need for suspension of disbelief at the idea of NASA getting a manned mission to Mars any time in this lifetime
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Aesop wrote:So the fucktards at the Hollywood Foreign Press Association gave the Golden Globe to The Martian...for Best Comedy.
(cf. "1000 Reasons Why The Golden Globes Are Utterly Meaningless")

Holy WTF, Batman! :?

I can't figure out if it's because
a) they're so English-illiterate that they don't WTF the word "comedy" means;
b) they were in stitches at the concept of Matt Damon being an astronaut/botanist/survival supergenius sciencing the shit out of everything, or
c) they couldn't keep a straight face when presented with the need for suspension of disbelief at the idea of NASA getting a manned mission to Mars any time in this lifetime


I actually wondered if they meant "Comedy" in the original, Greek sense, meaning the opposite of "Tragedy". i.e. a work where the protagonist survives. Laughter not required.

Either that, or they're just a bunch of Hollywood assholes who care more about making sure certain films, and actors, get awards than whether the film/actor fits the category for which they're nominated.

They could just as well have nominated it for best animated film, since there's at LEAST as much computer generated graphics (meaning ANIMATION) in The Martian as in Toy Story, Shrek, or (insert whatever cartoon film you wish).

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Postby MiddleAgedKen » Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:21 pm

When the nominations came out, it was nominated in the "Comedy and/or Musical" category. It did have all that disco....
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Postby randy » Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:51 pm

Must have been the same loser judges that gave the first ever Heavy Metal Grammy to Jethro Tull, the year that Metallica's Black album was released.
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Postby Weetabix » Wed Jan 13, 2016 12:03 am

I finally saw it last night. It was great.

And there were a lot of funny lines in there.

"I'm a space pirate."
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"Fuck you, Mars."
"I don't want to come off as arrogant here, but I'm the greatest botanist on this planet."
"I admit it's fatally dangerous, but I'd get to fly around like Iron Man."
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"Mars will come to fear my botany powers."
"Alright, let me get a few things out of the way, right off the bat. Yes, I did in fact survive on a deserted planet by farming in my own shit. Yes, it's actually worse than it sound. So, let's not talk about that ever again." (I always thought you had to compost your shit a bit before it was safe to grow food in.)
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Postby Aesop » Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:45 am

Weetabix wrote:I finally saw it last night. It was great.


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Postby Denis » Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:32 am

I just read the book, and really enjoyed it. Looking forward to seeing the movie too. I hope I can still catch it in a cinema somewhere, instead of on blu-ray...

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Postby HTRN » Thu Jan 14, 2016 9:28 am

randy wrote:Must have been the same loser judges that gave the first ever Heavy Metal Grammy to Jethro Tull, the year that Metallica's Black album was released.

Don't get me started on those assholes.
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Postby Vonz90 » Fri Jan 15, 2016 2:37 am

HTRN wrote:
randy wrote:Must have been the same loser judges that gave the first ever Heavy Metal Grammy to Jethro Tull, the year that Metallica's Black album was released.

Don't get me started on those assholes.


Hey, the flute has always been known as a heavy metal instrument.

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Postby HTRN » Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:14 am

Every other genre, no matter how small, has its own category, yet metal is stuck in rock with only one award.

No song of the year, album or artist of the year..

And best of all is the jackals especially that do get nominated, are corporate acts being pushed by the major labels or clear channel. :roll:
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Re: The Martian

Postby Denis » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:16 am

HTRN wrote:Every other genre, no matter how small, has its own category, yet metal is stuck in rock with only one award.


I knew you were into heavy metal, but I wasn't thinking of the musical kind too... :mrgreen:

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Re: The Martian

Postby HTRN » Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:03 am

Denis wrote:
HTRN wrote:Every other genre, no matter how small, has its own category, yet metal is stuck in rock with only one award.


I knew you were into heavy metal, but I wasn't thinking of the musical kind too... :mrgreen:

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And oh, as much as I love Jack Black, the fact that Tenacious D won over Motorhead at last years Grammy awards for best Metal Performance, proves that once and for all, the people in charge need a severe beating with a sack of oranges.
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Re: The Martian

Postby toad » Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:58 am

Well it looks like we have a list of gassy, full of shit people to ship to Mars. Should we do a kick starter campaign for one way rockets?
I can just see Obama waking up all confused and flailing around in the lowered gravity.

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Re: The Martian

Postby g-man » Sun Jan 17, 2016 2:54 pm

Finally got the wife around to watching this last night, we rented it on demand. Once you get past the bit about there not being enough air on Mars to throw rocks around, this movie is totally awesome. Everything other than 'the storm' are completely plausible issues within the whole "not being on Earth can make you dead very quickly" problem set. The piece about re-establishing comms was brilliant, and the space pirate bit was a riot. I loved Star Wars from a nostalgia standpoint, but this beat the hell out of that film every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Edited to add: I had to explain the Elrond reference to my wife, since as soon as that codename came on screen and I saw Sean Bean, I started laughing my ass off and she couldn't hear any of the dialogue.
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Re: The Martian

Postby Little Sister » Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:58 am

Dinochrome and I saw this on Friday night and loved it. His biggest complaint was not enough air to have the storms that size. Other than that, a great movie.

I seem to recall the footage of the supply rocket exploding looked like the time that SpaceX lost a supply rocket to the SS. I commented that they would not get the birthday cake. I saw that when it happened.
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Re: The Martian

Postby blackeagle603 » Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:43 pm

JPL friend who has been flight director on several missions said the difficulty reestablishing comm's/datalink was the thing that bugged them most. So many radios and related gear available that was overlooked in the movie. That and the underwear...
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