Overinvesting In The Young

[First Shirt]

But there's a big difference between "let it burn" and "watch it burn". And I don't think I have to stones to watch a little kid go hungry if I can help it, so I can't very well tell someone else that they have to do it.

[Denis]

Does anyone else know that 'overinvest' means 'to invest too much'? As in, to invest more than something is worth....

I parsed it that way too. I thought this was going to be a discussion of wasting money by giving all kids a college-prep education, whether they need it or not...

On the actual topic - my father did voluntary work for many years for a foodbank, and I helped him as often as I could. Plenty of the 'customers' were children. I couldn't let kids go hungry, just because of their parents' stupidity or neglect.

[Termite]

No comment on this? Despite the assistance these parents are undoubtedly receiving, the school is still feeding their kids through the week and they can't even keep them fed on the weekend?

Yeah, I got a few comments.

#1. It ain't the kids' fault that their parent(s) are goddam useless pieces of shit. Pawpaw can tell you bunches of stories. So can any semi-observant teacher in the public school system. Seriously, don't get me started on this; I might pop a blood vessel.


#2.A big part of the cause is the destruction of traditional Western values, and the morality that went with those values. Unethical behavior is being subsidized, and encouraged. Therefore, is it any surprise that it proliferates?


Could it be stopped? Yes. Will it be stopped? No.
It would involve shutting down AFDC, WIC, and EBT. Also Section 8 HUD. There will be children on the streets, thousands, literally starving to death.

As for their "parent(s)", only a monarchy or dictatorship could deal with them as they should be dealt with. Because it involves forced sterilization, and possibly forced labor.

[Erik]

Could it be stopped? Yes. Will it be stopped? No.
It would involve shutting down AFDC, WIC, and EBT. Also Section 8 HUD. There will be children on the streets, thousands, literally starving to death.
As for their "parent(s)", only a monarchy or dictatorship could deal with them as they should be dealt with. Because it involves forced sterilization, and possibly forced labor.

Actually, a monarchy is not comparable to a dictatorship. All Scandinavian countries are monarchies, but they are also democracies. A monarchy is really nothing else than a country where a monarch is the head of state, and in European monarchies today this is mostly a ceremonial title, the monarch has very little actual power. A monarchy could also be a dictatorship, but I'm honestly not aware of any country in the world were that is true today. Maybe on another continent?

Maybe I'm idealistic, but I think parents like that could be dealt with in democracies as well. But it would require a good part of the voters deciding to turn off the welfare faucet and stop subsidizing that sort of behavior, and vote for politicians that will implement such laws and regulations. There's examples of democracies that have implemented forced sterilization and forced labor, but I'm not convinced it would be needed. People respond to incentives, if you subsidize a behavior you'll get more of it, if you stop subsidizing it you'll get less of it.
But it will take a serious change of opinion among voters, they will need to start supporting shutting down different programs, and stand by it while the left floods the media with horror stories of people getting hurt by not having the programs to turn to.

[Aesop]

[Aglifter]

A) I agree the welfare system is broken - a WPA style one, which still demands a work ethic, would be better - but could become another jobs program, like most of the bureaucracies.

B) A "better" solution would, probably, be to permit charities to take the kids and place then in orphanages.

Before "tolerance" became a religious movement, we used to be more aggressive, as a society, about "unfit parents".

There are plenty of downsides to that, and potential pitfalls - a major problem is that society embraces very degrading things - when you really think about it, there are few things more debased than porn.

If anything, society is "over investing" in those past reproductive age, currently. Its not that there's, necc. a shortage of money for the young, but there's a lack of focus on producing productive members of society.

[Termite]

Actually, a monarchy is not comparable to a dictatorship. All Scandinavian countries are monarchies, but they are also democracies.

I meant a real old fashioned monarchy. Like from 500 yrs ago.

When you feed pigeons, you get more pigeons, and they crap all over everything.

When you pay worthless people to have kids, they have more kids and have no incentive to stop acting worthless, and they transmit these values to their children as surely as if it were in the DNA.

^THIS.^

[Greg]

Actually, a monarchy is not comparable to a dictatorship. All Scandinavian countries are monarchies, but they are also democracies.

I meant a real old fashioned monarchy. Like from 500 yrs ago.

The past is the present in the Islamic world, where they still have real monarchies.

[Termite]

Look at the crime stats in this country before the dole became the chief end of government, and crime after that happened, and see if you can pick out the nuclear missile launch in the sats.

You can lay a huge portion of the blame at LBJ's grave.