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Postby Old Grafton » Tue May 24, 2016 3:59 am

Just spent 1/2 of Saturday, 1/2 of Sunday and 8 hrs today switching out every fluorescent light in home and shop to LED (except for a 2' twin over the kitchen sink, pending). Replaced 30-4' and 8-8' fluors with a total of 46-4' twin tube units; oh, my aching back, neck n shoulders. But...WOW!! what a difference in brightnessI! As old as I am I didn't know that fluors dim significantly before they die, and LED's evidently don't nearly as significantly. Screw Al Gore, I did this for ME and the Missus: not only is the power draw way less it means neither of us has to climb ladders and change bulbs like we have done so often in the past. Plus, the projected savings are really significant. And we can SEE all the details! (including where we need to sweep more often... :shock: )
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Re: LED Lighting

Postby Old Grafton » Tue May 24, 2016 4:06 am

And even better, when I passed the word to a few buds the old fixtures disappeared except for 3 8' units! the shop is usually lit up 12 hrs 6-7 days a week but most of my pals dont run lighting nearly as much so for them th fluors are still cost-efficient when the base price is ....free.... :D
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Re: LED Lighting

Postby Old Grafton » Tue May 24, 2016 4:07 am

And the cartons of free brand-new tubes didn't hurt, either
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Re: LED Lighting

Postby HTRN » Tue May 24, 2016 10:31 am

I thought led and fluorescent lighting had comparable efficiency?
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Re: LED Lighting

Postby MarkD » Tue May 24, 2016 2:12 pm

Last year I replaced the incandescent bulbs in the can lights in the kitchen with LED inserts, they look nicer, they're MUCH cooler, and I no longer have to drag out the step stool once every couple weeks to replace a (expletive deleted) bulb. I figure just in the cost of bulbs I'm about at the break-even point now, not counting savings on electricity (six bulbs, formerly 65-75 watts each depending on what I could get, now 13 watts each). I used to go thru a couple or three cases of 12 bulbs a year.

And those suckers are BRIGHT, they're 100 watt equivalent.

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Re: LED Lighting

Postby Weetabix » Tue May 24, 2016 2:55 pm

HTRN wrote:I thought led and fluorescent lighting had comparable efficiency?

I don't believe that's true, if you're counting total efficiency in terms of life cycle cost, convenience, comfort, and joy.

I don't know that I've replaced all of mine, but based on labeling, the LED's are about half the wattage with more (visible at any rate) lumens than a fluorescent.

They're supposed to run about 20,000 hours before they run out. I haven't had to replace one yet. I started putting them in 3 years (?) ago.

They were more expensive when I started putting them in, but the price has steadily gone down.

Let's fake up some factors only:

2 (wattage savings) x 1.33 (lumen increase) x 10 (lifetime increase estimated) x 1/4 (fluorescent are cheaper) = 6.65x better.

I've neglected several things that I'm not sure how to factor in:
- heating and cooling since I'm in a pretty balanced climate. I pay a bit more for heating and a bit less for cooling for the waste heat from higher wattage use, but I figure it balances out. I doubt that it would be more than 2%, though.
- convenience of not physically changing the bulbs
- lack of being pissed off that bulbs were burning out so frequently
- general comfort of better light

On balance, I love them. The only thing I don't like is the higher initial cost, but that pays out with the utility savings over the life of the bulb, and in the mean time, I have more light and less trouble. It's a win.
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Postby MarkD » Tue May 24, 2016 3:54 pm

lack of being pissed off that bulbs were burning out so frequently


Oh yeah, my wife stopped asking what the problem was when I'd go into the kitchen first thing in the morning, turn on the lights, and say "Shit!"

Also, the reflector floods I had were getting hard to find (thank you Greenies) and each time I bought a case they seemed to burn out faster. Oh, and each case seemed to have a dead bulb in it, so all too often the sequence was:

1) Throw light switch, pop-snap-SHIT, turn switch back off
2) Go into basement for new bulb
3) Get out step stool.
4) Climb step stool, remove old bulb, install new bulb
5) Climb down, throw switch, fucker still doesn't work
6) Repeat from step 2

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Re: LED Lighting

Postby Weetabix » Tue May 24, 2016 5:29 pm

Yep. I put (7) 11-watt LED reflector floods in recessed cans in my kitchen. For 77 watts, I have tons of light... for only 77 watts! I think I put them in about 3 years ago, and I have yet to replace one. With 9'-9" ceilings, I'm loving it.
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Re: LED Lighting

Postby JAG2955 » Tue May 24, 2016 6:08 pm

There's 8 recessed lights in our kitchen/great room. When we moved in, they were all incandescent. I switched to LEDs due to the lack of heat they put out. Before, even if you were blind, you knew if the lights in there were on.

But screw CFLs. All they do is suck and pollute.

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Re: LED Lighting

Postby Rich Jordan » Thu May 26, 2016 2:17 am

JAG2955 wrote:There's 8 recessed lights in our kitchen/great room. When we moved in, they were all incandescent. I switched to LEDs due to the lack of heat they put out. Before, even if you were blind, you knew if the lights in there were on.

But screw CFLs. All they do is suck and pollute.


And smoke, catch fire, short out, and put out crappy light quality. And not last nearly as long as the greenies claimed.

Did you put in LED replacement bulbs in the recessed lights? Or actually retrofit the lights with LED cans? If the latter consider buying a few spares while you can, else when/if one fails you may not be able to find a matching unit/color temp/etc.

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Re: LED Lighting

Postby Netpackrat » Thu May 26, 2016 2:28 am

Kind of following this with interest, for the next house.
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Re: LED Lighting

Postby JAG2955 » Thu May 26, 2016 3:04 am

I just used LED replacement bulbs that were rated for enclosures. Unfortunately, all I could find were the daylight bulbs, which I don't mind too much, but late at night, I wish that I had more soft white ones.

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Postby Weetabix » Thu May 26, 2016 5:41 pm

Rich Jordan wrote:
JAG2955 wrote:There's 8 recessed lights in our kitchen/great room. When we moved in, they were all incandescent. I switched to LEDs due to the lack of heat they put out. Before, even if you were blind, you knew if the lights in there were on.

But screw CFLs. All they do is suck and pollute.


And smoke, catch fire, short out, and put out crappy light quality. And not last nearly as long as the greenies claimed.

Did you put in LED replacement bulbs in the recessed lights? Or actually retrofit the lights with LED cans? If the latter consider buying a few spares while you can, else when/if one fails you may not be able to find a matching unit/color temp/etc.

The cans I put in will accept any bulb with a standard base (A21?). I'm certain they have a maximum wattage, but I plan to use LED's which will never approach that wattage.
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Postby mekender » Fri May 27, 2016 12:43 pm

I was looking for LED bulbs for the chandelier in my dining room at Lowes the other day... They dont have any...
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Postby Steamforger » Fri May 27, 2016 1:22 pm

I'm wrapping up a new 60' x 120' pole barn and we went with LED lighting for the interior. I was skeptical at first because the fixtures were spaced so far apart and appeared so empty. No tubes, no ballasts, no depth to the fixture, just kind of empty. Like a shoe box turned upside down with two strips of LEDs in them.

When they're on though.... Holy crap, you talk about bright. Maintenance is all but non-existent, no warm up time, no tubes to store or replace or dispose of, no ballasts to change, much, much brighter than tubes. This is a win all the way around.

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Postby Rumpshot » Fri May 27, 2016 1:48 pm

mekender wrote:I was looking for LED bulbs for the chandelier in my dining room at Lowes the other day... They dont have any...

Sam's Club has them with the chandelier base.
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Re: LED Lighting

Postby Weetabix » Fri May 27, 2016 3:55 pm

Rumpshot wrote:
mekender wrote:I was looking for LED bulbs for the chandelier in my dining room at Lowes the other day... They dont have any...

Sam's Club has them with the chandelier base.

Check local specialty lighting stores, too. And electric supply houses. I've found the best prices and quality there.

We have three of those chandeliers. I'm always replacing bulbs in them. I normally use 60W incandescents in them. In one, I replaced them with 6W LED's. They're brighter and I haven't had to replace any. Now, I think the bulbs were $5 or $6 a pop. But I'm still going to replace the others.
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Postby mekender » Sat May 28, 2016 2:54 am

Weetabix wrote:
Rumpshot wrote:
mekender wrote:I was looking for LED bulbs for the chandelier in my dining room at Lowes the other day... They dont have any...

Sam's Club has them with the chandelier base.

Check local specialty lighting stores, too. And electric supply houses. I've found the best prices and quality there.

We have three of those chandeliers. I'm always replacing bulbs in them. I normally use 60W incandescents in them. In one, I replaced them with 6W LED's. They're brighter and I haven't had to replace any. Now, I think the bulbs were $5 or $6 a pop. But I'm still going to replace the others.


If this was not a rental house, I would just replace it with a $20 ceiling mounted LED fixture and be done with it... But I dont own the place.
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Postby HTRN » Sat May 28, 2016 4:29 am

Steamforger wrote:I'm wrapping up a new 60' x 120' pole barn

You suck. :mrgreen:

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HTRN wrote:I thought led and fluorescent lighting had comparable efficiency?

I don't believe that's true, if you're counting total efficiency in terms of life cycle cost, convenience, comfort, and joy.

I was talking about watts per lumen.
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Re: LED Lighting

Postby Steamforger » Sat May 28, 2016 5:03 am

It isn't mine. I just ran the project. I have talked to the contractor at length about perhaps building a shorter version at some point in the future. It would seem that the 3 foot eaves, standing seam roof, 6" and 8" reinforced concrete bays, and 4 RV sized roll up doors really drove the price up.
Going with a 4" slab on grade and omitting some of the pricier options could get this building somewhere around $150k.

Given that every manufactured pile of crap made in the 70's around here sitting on a postage stamp of land is running $250k....

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Postby HTRN » Sat May 28, 2016 5:48 am

I would have to get at least 6" floor, 8" would be better.

I want either a smaller building serving as a double deep 3 bay garge, with larger than normal doors (in 9x9 or larger, to get the trucks in) and a decent sized shop, or one big as building combining the two.

150 seems awfully high, even with all the add ons. Timberline in central pa lists roughly 52k for the same size building, with a single 12x12 door. Adding two more doors, and a thicker slab wouldn't triple the cost of the building I think..
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Re: LED Lighting

Postby Steamforger » Sat May 28, 2016 10:18 am

There's some stuff I glossed over like the stormwater system, and the CMU. Removing those two things would take a bite out of that number as well.

It is wired for 3 phase though :D

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Postby HTRN » Sun May 29, 2016 2:35 am

I hate repeating myself, but...

You suck. :mrgreen:
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Postby Precision » Mon May 30, 2016 6:01 pm

mekender wrote:I was looking for LED bulbs for the chandelier in my dining room at Lowes the other day... They dont have any...

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Re: LED Lighting

Postby Frankingun » Fri Jun 03, 2016 11:24 am

I've been gradually replacing my gorram CFLs as they fail and refilling with LED based on fixture/installation/whatever. Much improved over CFL.
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