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Windows does it again

Postby Rod » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:31 pm

Two days ago, my computer automatically updated with the Windows new patch. Since then the spam mails have been appearing in my inbox. Before the update, they ALL were going to my spam mailbox. Sometime I wonder if Microsoft programmers ever check their work.
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Re: Windows does it again

Postby First Shirt » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:37 pm

Silly! That's what YOU'RE there for!

Your feedback will be ignored for the next update, as well.
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Re: Windows does it again

Postby PawPaw » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:39 pm

Check their work? Silly boy, that's why they have patches in the first place. If an OS was perfect we'd never need a patch or an update.
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Re: Windows does it again

Postby Darrell » Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:01 am

Call me naïve, but it seems to me that a computer update should make your system run BETTER, not worse. :roll:
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Re: Windows does it again

Postby kapikui » Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:39 am

Hey it compiles, ship it.

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Re: Windows does it again

Postby MarkD » Tue Mar 17, 2015 2:51 pm

kapikui wrote:
Hey it compiles, ship it.


What is this testing of which you speak?

Hell, I've had programmers try to move code into production with compiler errors, and insist they tested the shit out of it.

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Re: Windows does it again

Postby Greg » Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:22 pm

MarkD wrote:
kapikui wrote:
Hey it compiles, ship it.


What is this testing of which you speak?

Hell, I've had programmers try to move code into production with compiler errors, and insist they tested the shit out of it.


It might have successfully compiled on their own workstation, with their own special local environment. Sometimes they don't test with the 'standard' build environment, or even understand the difference. I've seen that often enough.

Or they're just lying. At one job we had a developer like that. He had a PhD and was supposedly a 'genius', he'd spend all day in meetings he wasn't invited to trying to tell people how to do their jobs (because he knew better). And his own code wouldn't compile. We had firm rules, that you never check in code that doesn't build. Those rules were not for him. Every time we wanted to do any kind of build/release, the build/release guys (one of whom was me) would have to FIX his code. Yes, we had sysadmins fixing coders' code, so it would compile. On releases. To customers.

His wife also happened to be best friends with the owner's wife. Eventually the problem was obvious to everyone, but what could you do? The owner liked maintaining access to nookie, so we were all helpless. Eventually we had some money troubles, and that gave sufficient cover to allow him to be laid off. Which boosted *everyone's* productivity.
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Re: Windows does it again

Postby Greg » Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:27 pm

Darrell wrote:Call me naïve, but it seems to me that a computer update should make your system run BETTER, not worse. :roll:


Previous ranting about nepotism and incompetence aside, patches breaking systems isn't a new thing and Microsoft certainly doesn't have a monopoly on it.
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Re: Windows does it again

Postby MarkD » Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:51 pm

Greg wrote:
MarkD wrote:
kapikui wrote:
Hey it compiles, ship it.


What is this testing of which you speak?

Hell, I've had programmers try to move code into production with compiler errors, and insist they tested the shit out of it.


It might have successfully compiled on their own workstation, with their own special local environment. Sometimes they don't test with the 'standard' build environment, or even understand the difference. I've seen that often enough.

(snip)



Nope, mainframe environment, no local environment involved. In one memorable instance the problem was a mis-spelled variable name which caused an undefined variable compiler error.

We also had a programmer with 20+ years of Cobol programming experience (she claimed) who didn't know how to do arrays. Whenever she was given a program to modify, and that modification involved using arrays, she'd hand it back to be given to someone else (frequently me), when I asked her why she just didn't LEARN it (like every other programmer in the world) she said she'd never needed to use arrays (well duh, that's what happens when you refuse to work on something, you never need to learn it).

I had another programmer who, when I asked her to supply me with test results, suggested I should read her code to prove to myself it would work. Ummmm, let's not.

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Re: Windows does it again

Postby PawPaw » Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:26 pm

Fox is reporting that Microsoft is finally killing Internet Exploder.
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Re: Windows does it again

Postby MarkD » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:20 pm

PawPaw wrote:Fox is reporting that Microsoft is finally killing Internet Exploder.


Does anyone use Explorer for anything besides downloading Chrome, Firefox or such?

Oh, wait, I do, it's the standard browser to use for connecting to the client site. That's also ALL I use it for.

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Re: Windows does it again

Postby Greg » Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:07 pm

MarkD wrote:
PawPaw wrote:Fox is reporting that Microsoft is finally killing Internet Exploder.


Does anyone use Explorer for anything besides downloading Chrome, Firefox or such?

Oh, wait, I do, it's the standard browser to use for connecting to the client site. That's also ALL I use it for.


I wonder what browser low information voters use? Wait, pretty sure I know already....
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Re: Windows does it again

Postby randy » Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:15 pm

It's pretty much the standard for my work systems as that is what comes loaded on the PCs.

Fortunately our IT guys tend to ignore the Firefox and Chrome installations that just appear.
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Re: Windows does it again

Postby Rich » Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:55 pm

On a side note, I've been dual booting for a number of years. This year I finally wiped the HD and got rid of Windows entirely. Now if only my bank would relent and allow a wider choice of browsers, I could go back to Opera or go to Chrome. I might try Iceweasel, Mozilla's other browser. :?
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Re: Windows does it again

Postby Greg » Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:33 pm

Rich wrote:On a side note, I've been dual booting for a number of years. This year I finally wiped the HD and got rid of Windows entirely. Now if only my bank would relent and allow a wider choice of browsers, I could go back to Opera or go to Chrome. I might try Iceweasel, Mozilla's other browser. :?


Odd. I've been doing all my online banking with Chrome on Linux for years.
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Re: Windows does it again

Postby McClarkus » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:49 am

Why did Verizon update my phone right after my contract expired? Because the next day my reception was degraded to point where it was worthless at my rural location. A previously admitted "known problem zone" most likely had nothing to do with it......ya,no.
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Re: Windows does it again

Postby MiddleAgedKen » Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:08 pm

I was amused that, while getting training in Microsoft Dynamics CRM in early 2014, the trainers admitted it worked better with Firefox than with IE. Mozilla cheesed me off, so I mostly use Opera now (Firefox for certain things, such as the Kindle Reader App).
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Re: Windows does it again

Postby mekender » Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:10 pm

Why would a windows update have anything to do with your email settings?
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Re: Windows does it again

Postby Greg » Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:15 pm

Well MS *is* doing something interesting with Windows.

In a limited way, they're making it free.

http://arstechnica.com/information-tech ... ine-users/
http://www.wired.com/2015/03/windows-10 ... s-no-joke/

It seems they're really serious about platform consolidation, and trying to monetize Windows and the whole surrounding ecosystem in ways other than charging for the OS (as a side benefit that's the only way they're going to make money off of pirates).

I have one personal Windows 7 license. Used for a full install on the second hd in my desktop, for dual booting. (I also generally have at least one Windows 7 vm available.) Looking forward to 10.
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Re: Windows does it again

Postby Rich Jordan » Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:12 am

Greg wrote:Well MS *is* doing something interesting with Windows.

In a limited way, they're making it free.
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It seems they're really serious about platform consolidation, and trying to monetize Windows and the whole surrounding ecosystem in ways other than charging for the OS (as a side benefit that's the only way they're going to make money off of pirates).

I have one personal Windows 7 license. Used for a full install on the second hd in my desktop, for dual booting. (I also generally have at least one Windows 7 vm available.) Looking forward to 10.


Its just the newest phase in their long time strategy of "Embrace, extend, and extinguish", also known as "Embrace, extend, and exterminate". They took some hits the last few years but still have a beachhead that makes it very easy for them to try the same thing that worked so well for them before.


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