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Postby Cybrludite » Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:18 am

A friend of mine is coming along on my Super Bowl Sunday Shützenfest to learn the very basics about firearms for self defense. No problem, done this before. The hang up is what to suggest for home defense and CCW for a lady who is five feet tall in heels, and 95lbs if soaking wet... with mercury. (Exaggerating, but not by very much... She still gets carded at the movies for PG-13 flicks.) Her fiance is also a bit on the small side, but not nearly to the same extent. I'm thinking the Beretta Tomcat for carry and some sort of 20 gauge shotgun for the home. Budget will also be a consideration.
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Postby First Shirt » Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:53 am

The shotgun part is actually easier. We use a youth-model Mossberg Mod 500 in 20 ga. that serves very well. (The Boss is about 5-1 in sneakers). It seems easier to work with a too-short buttstock than a too-long one.

However, The Boss carries a purse that really deserves it's own pack-mule, so she stashes an SP-101 in there. I've tried to convince her that that's not the ideal course of action, but it's what she's comfortable with, and it does serve to fulfill Rule #1 of gunfighting. (That may not be what you needed to help your friend pick out a personal defensive handgun.)

The downside to the 20 ga. is that it's sometimes hard to find good HD loads for it, so when you do find some that suit, buy lots of them. We use #4 buckshot in 2 3/4 in. shells, simply because that's what works best in that shotgun. (She used it recently to kill a chicken-thief coyote, and it worked admirably well. Other than the mag tube extension, the only addition is the piece of reflective tape around the barrel, right behind the muzzle.
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Postby Aglifter » Fri Jan 30, 2009 2:52 am

What about a 357 lever action?
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Postby Netpackrat » Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:21 am

A skirt and a P3AT in a thigh holster? :mrgreen:

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Postby arctictom » Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:22 am

Netpackrat wrote:A skirt and a P3AT in a thigh holster? :mrgreen:



+1 , on the P3-at and maybe 20 gauge pump.
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Postby Frosch » Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:04 am

A 20-ga pump in a thigh holster? :shock:
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Postby arctictom » Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:57 am

Frosch wrote:A 20-ga pump in a thigh holster? :shock:

Need a pic to see how big her thighs are , but, it could work.
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Postby mekender » Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:04 am

arctictom wrote:
Frosch wrote:A 20-ga pump in a thigh holster? :shock:

Need a pic to see how big her thighs are , but, it could work.


better make sure she has fish nets on in the picture...
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Postby Whirlibird » Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:08 pm

If she has to go with a mousegun, here's one of the best possible choices.

Sphinx AT-380

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Postby Cybrludite » Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:44 pm

Netpackrat wrote:Image

That'll have to wait until after the shoot. Only pics I currently have of her are from a month before Katrina, when she was nearly eight months preggers. (Or, perhaps, smuggling a soccer ball under her top)
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Postby Precision » Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:39 pm

add me to the P3AT list.

Great gun for the money and if she has small hands, the small grip won't be a hinderence. My (on and off again GF) says it is her favorite of my guns although she shoots the .22 Mark III much more. FWIW she is 5'8" with fairly (for a girl) big hands.

The P3AT is not a pleasant gun after about 30-50 rounds but thankfully the mag is limited to 6+1. :D
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Postby Rich » Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:02 pm

20 gauge is good, but my late sister preferred her .410 pump. And she was of average size, about 5 foot six.

Also try her on a snubby with .38 special for carry.
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Postby Kommander » Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:01 pm

Honestly you really need to have them both try different guns and see what the do the best with. An all metal .38 or 9mm would give them both a fairly potent cartridge and low recoil. The problem with many smaller caliber guns is that not only are the rounds smaller, but the gun is also smaller and weighs less. This can increase recoil to unacceptable levels.

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Postby Cybrludite » Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:52 pm

Kommander wrote:Honestly you really need to have them both try different guns and see what the do the best with. An all metal .38 or 9mm would give them both a fairly potent cartridge and low recoil.

That's the basic idea for the range trip. Only hang-up is my handguns (except for the Kel-Tec) have all been bought over the years with my hands in mind, and I'm built like an Ogre.
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Postby arctictom » Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:03 pm

Cybrludite wrote:
Kommander wrote:Honestly you really need to have them both try different guns and see what the do the best with. An all metal .38 or 9mm would give them both a fairly potent cartridge and low recoil.

That's the basic idea for the range trip. Only hang-up is my handguns (except for the Kel-Tec) have all been bought over the years with my hands in mind, and I'm built like an Ogre.



Are you green and smell bad ?


Seriously , a lightweight 20 should be just the ticket , such as
http://www.remington.com/products/firea ... _specs.asp .








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Postby Jered » Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:39 am

Cybrludite wrote:
Kommander wrote:Honestly you really need to have them both try different guns and see what the do the best with. An all metal .38 or 9mm would give them both a fairly potent cartridge and low recoil.

That's the basic idea for the range trip. Only hang-up is my handguns (except for the Kel-Tec) have all been bought over the years with my hands in mind, and I'm built like an Ogre.


When my sister was down here, she tried to glom onto my Sig P-6.

Her husband liked it as well. Granted, it's a single stack 9mm, that's a fairly basic pistol, but they generally go for a couple hundred bucks. It's a 9mm, so it's easy to shoot.
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Postby Kommander » Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:04 pm

Jered that actually the EXACT pistol I was thinking of as I wrote that. Back when they were available for $250 from the major surplus dealers I recommended them to everyone. The only problem is the scarcity of the magazines. However now it looks like no one has them, and the only way to get one would be gunbroker or a local dealer for significantly more money.

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Postby Mike OTDP » Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:55 pm

Still, a P6/P225 is a good choice. I'd also consider a Walther PP or PPK/S in either .380 or .32 ACP. People sneer at the latter, but it gets the job done with hollowpoints.

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Postby Cybrludite » Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:41 am

arctictom wrote:
Cybrludite wrote:Only hang-up is my handguns (except for the Kel-Tec) have all been bought over the years with my hands in mind, and I'm built like an Ogre.



Are you green and smell bad ?
Nope. 30 meters long, and made of biphase carbide... :twisted:
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Postby First Shirt » Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:50 am

Aglifter wrote:What about a 357 lever action?


Funny you should mention that!

There was a segment on Shooting Gallery this past week about using a pistol-caliber lever-action carbine for HD, and it actually seems like it would work fairly well. Haven't been able to try any of the drills he outlined, but when the shoulder is better, I will definitely see about putting the lever-actions to work.
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Postby arctictom » Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:36 am

Cybrludite wrote:
arctictom wrote:
Cybrludite wrote:Only hang-up is my handguns (except for the Kel-Tec) have all been bought over the years with my hands in mind, and I'm built like an Ogre.



Are you green and smell bad ?
Nope. 30 meters long, and made of biphase carbide... :twisted:

So this revolver must be yours,
http://securityarms.com/20010315/galler ... 0/3072.htm .
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Postby Cybrludite » Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:19 pm

Her favorite of the centerfire rifles...

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And here she is with the 686, loaded with light .38 Special target loads. That's her fiancé in the background developing a corprophagic grin with my M1911A1.

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Teh interwebs seem to have to have eaten the pic of her with the AR-15. I'll add it here once Photobucket admits to having it.

Ah, that's where the Round Tuit was hiding... Here's the AR pic.

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Postby First Shirt » Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:30 pm

The fact that she's a southpaw makes an even better case for the Mossy 20 ga., since the safety is ambidexterous (it's mounted on the tang, where shotgun safeties are supposed to be!).

It's also going to complicate finding a semi-auto handgun for her.
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Postby ButchS1066 » Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:44 am

First Shirt wrote:It's also going to complicate finding a semi-auto handgun for her.


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Postby oilcrash » Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:13 pm

First Shirt wrote:The fact that she's a southpaw makes an even better case for the Mossy 20 ga., since the safety is ambidexterous (it's mounted on the tang, where shotgun safeties are supposed to be!).

It's also going to complicate finding a semi-auto handgun for her.


Not necessarily, if you break things down to the point of either A) ambidextrous safety, or B) No external safety, then there is no trouble.

Mag releases tend to be easier in my experience to manipulate with a single finger on my shooting hand (being a southpaw), than to work with my backup shooting hand.

With practice there is little difficulty in manipulating safeties that aren't ambidextrous. As for releasing a slide lock, gross muscle movements, just rack the slide.

A short list of decent semi-autos would be: Glock, Kel-tec, Steyr, Walther

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Postby Jered » Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:07 am

My Bersa Thunder .45 has an ambi safety, an ambi slide release, and a reversible magazine release.
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Postby Cybrludite » Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:00 am

Thanks for the advice. Turns out she's not yet comfortable enough with handguns, and prefers the controlability of a stocked weapon. Looks like my suggestion should be for a 20 gauge Mossberg 500. The .22 rifle also went over well. What sort of safety arrangement does the 10-22 have?
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Cybrludite wrote:The .22 rifle also went over well. What sort of safety arrangement does the 10-22 have?


A cross-bar push button on the front of the trigger guard. Push left (right finger push) to "unsafe". Not intuitive for a lefty as a left finger push engages the safety........
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Postby First Shirt » Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:41 am

The 10/22 crossbolt safety can be replaced with a Power Custom safety that can be reversed for lefties. Last time I checked, it was about $10, and took a few minutes to install.
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Postby Jered » Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:23 am

Cybrludite wrote:Thanks for the advice. Turns out she's not yet comfortable enough with handguns, and prefers the controlability of a stocked weapon. Looks like my suggestion should be for a 20 gauge Mossberg 500. The .22 rifle also went over well. What sort of safety arrangement does the 10-22 have?


Well, for future reference remember my tip about a the Bersa.

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Postby Combat Controller » Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:54 am

The former Miss CC has a CZ-50 she rather likes. Plus a .22 mag bulldog pug.
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Postby fast richard » Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:58 pm

Don't assume that small stature requires small guns. I once had a coworker whose wife had grown up in a village in Vietnam. She was about 4' 10" tall, very slender, and had a strong preference for the M1 Garand over the M1 Carbine, the M16, or the AK.

Start any beginer with something easy to shoot, but encourage them try larger guns as they become comfortable.

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Postby toad » Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:14 am

Well I have had several conversations lately with people about the suitable load for a home defense shot gun. One who was a doc at a Detroit emergency room said that across the room distances bird shot works well and is very nasty. The group is small, the small pellets penetrate deeper than you think and it is hard to treat. When they got a guy who had been bird shotted all they could do was treat the obvious spurting bleeders. Then they would have to wait to see if he would make it. It seems even with X-rays you'll do more damage trying to dig out all the small shot rather than waiting to see if the guy is going to make it. I met a guy at my renewal class who uses #9 bird shot. He said that up to 15 feet heavy clothing and a leather jacket won't help you. Your mileage may vary on that last one.
If i was me I'd go for the largest bird shot that I could find for 20 gage and then go see what it did to milk jugs wrapped in heavy cloth and filled with Jello.

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Postby SeekHer » Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:15 am

Being a Southie considerations of the Browning BPS or the Ithaca Model 37 should be included as both have a downward ejection and won't shoot husks past the shooter's eyes...

Loads of #BB and #4 buck are available for the 20 bore...Remember that you have half the space of a 12 bore so half the number of pellets...reducing buck or using the heaviest bird would be preferable to the biggest buck and smallest bird as you also have nearly half the powder charge so a 12 bore load of 3" mag #9 will go through a leather jacket at 4 yards (across a room) what will happen to the load at 10 yards...

For a pistol, it's whatever she feels comfortable with and fits her hand...
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Postby Combat Controller » Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:01 am

Bird shot is for birds. Further, in a home defense load, someone shot with a shotgun should not be requiring treatment in a hospital, or anywhere else. I am afraid your statement contains the fatal flaw right there....
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Postby cu74 » Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:17 am

CombatController wrote:Bird shot is for birds. Further, in a home defense load, someone shot with a shotgun should not be requiring treatment in a hospital, or anywhere else. I am afraid your statement contains the fatal flaw right there....


I can sure agree with that. If some dude(s) come through the alarm systems and past the dog to threaten the wife or me, our plans definitely do not include EMS for the perp(s). I consider #4 buck the minimum load for the 12 gauge that resides in the corner of our bedroom.
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Postby Dedicated_Dad » Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:34 am

Netpackrat wrote:A skirt and a P3AT in a thigh holster? :mrgreen:...


Yeah, but what's SHE going to carry? :lol: :?

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Postby Jered » Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:44 am

Cybrludite wrote:And here she is with the 686, loaded with light .38 Special target loads. That's her fiancé in the background developing a corprophagic grin with my M1911A1.

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In this picture, it looks like she's bringing her head down to the weapon, instead of bringing the weapon up.
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Postby Frankingun » Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:18 pm

Consult the Box o' Truth.

Bird shot, not for me.
Buy ammunition and magazines.

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